Do I Need a Safety on my Everyday Carry Handgun?
Do you have a safety on your EDC Everyday Carry Gun? Why or why not? Have you ever thought about why you choose to carry a firearm with or without a manual external safety on it?
This photo shows the result of inadequate trigger finger discipline and poor fundamentals, not a gun without a manual external safety.
If you haven't thought about why you chose the gun you carry, this is an important article that should get you thinking about your EDC everyday carry gun. This topic is sure to draw very polar opposite opinions from gun owners. That is fine, and I encourage all the readers to weigh in with their comments on all my articles. But first, let's start with the FACTS about your handgun's safety mechanisms:
All modern handguns have internal safeties. These consist of firing pin blocks, drop safeties, magazine disconnects, etc. So when I am speaking about a gun having or not having a safety, I am NOT talking about these internal safeties.
Safeties are a mechanical component of the firearm and should not be relied upon as making the gun “safe.” The ONLY “safe gun” is a gun handled safely by the one using it, regardless of how many safeties it has. Case in point – would you take a firearm, point it at your head and pull the trigger just because the safety was engaged? I sincerely hope your answer is an emphatic NO.
Every modern firearm has internal safeties.
Now that we have the basics down let's talk about what a manual external safety is and its purpose on a handgun.
What Is a Manual External Safety?
Lever/Switch Safety –
When most people hear the term manual external safety, the image that comes to mind is a lever or switch style mechanism on the side of the frame. This type of safety is engaged in one of two positions, either on or off. If the safety is engaged, one can't fire the gun.
Some of these types of safeties can also serve a purpose as a de-cocker. Engaging the safety with this type of configuration places the gun on safe and releases the hammer forward. Guns sometimes have de-cockers only, but these are not considered true safeties.
Backstrap/Grip Safety –
These types of safeties integrate into the gun's backstrap. In the default position, they are not depressed. When the hand grips the gun, the grip gets squeezed, and it disengages the safety. You see this type of safety on popular 1911 handguns and even in some newer polymer guns. It is rare, but sometimes the grip safety is not on the backstrap but rather the front of the pistol grip, such as the HKP7.
Trigger Safety –
These safeties integrate into the trigger shoe itself. This mechanism requires the finger (or another object) to depress a ‘paddle' on the trigger to allow it to move entirely to the rear and fire the cartridge.
The black ‘paddle' must be depressed before the trigger shoe (red) can be moved entirely to the rear.
How Is The Safety Applied?
While you may focus on whether you should have a manual external safety on your EDC everyday carry gun, an equally important question you should be asking yourself is HOW is the safety engaged/disengaged. There are what I like to refer to as active safeties and passive safeties.
Active Safety –
This type is one that you must manipulate outside of the normal draw-stroke or grip of the gun. For example, the Lever/Switch type safety is one like this. The process to disengage the safety does not have anything to do with the natural gripping of the firearm.
The safety on this Tristar T-100 is an active safety. To engage/disengage, one must flip the lever.
You may be thinking, but I carry a 1911, and I have trained to sweep the safety off as I draw as part of my draw stroke. Yes, that is the proper thing to do, but notice you must train into your draw stroke the action of sweeping the safety to disengage it. While it is a trained movement, this is an example of an active safety because it must actively be engaged/disengaged through deliberate action.
Passive Safety –
This one disengages without performing any deliberate action besides what you would typically do to grip and fire the gun. Examples are your trigger safety and backstrap safety. The trigger safety is naturally disengaged when placing the trigger finger correctly on the trigger and rearward pressure is applied. Similarly, the grip/backstrap safety is disengaged when the shooter obtains a proper grip on the gun.
The 1911's passive-Beavertail Safety and active-Safety lever.
Note about grip safeties: A special note is you NEED to train with them and understand how they work. I have seen many students shoot their Springfields equipped with a backstrap safety exceptionally well and without malfunction during slow fire. The problem I have seen is while shooting under stress, from weak-handed, retention or unconventional positions, etc., the shooters sometimes don't get a high enough or firm enough grip on the backstrap. What happens is the gun's backstrap/grip safety doesn't disengage. The gun doesn't go bang when they want it to, which is not good in a self-defense incident.
I am not knocking grip safeties. However, except for a 1911, I wouldn't use a gun with one. The reason is the geometry found in the 1911's grip is different than modern striker-fired handguns. All that said, I think they are an acceptable passive safety system, but you absolutely HAVE to understand their vulnerability and train accordingly.
Is my Gun Unsafe?
Here are common questions I hear often:
Isn't it unsafe to carry a gun without a safety? I would answer, Yeah, sure it is. If you disable all the internal safeties built into your firearm and disable your trigger safety, that would be one gun I would not recommend carrying. But if you mean is it unsafe to carry a gun without a manual external lever/switch type safety, the answer is NO.
Isn't the gun more likely to accidentally go off if there is not a safety switch? Nope, because the safety or lack of a safety isn't what makes the gun fire. The USER makes the gun operate. If the user is competent, safe, and aware of what they are doing, they can be just as safe with a firearm without a lever safety, as they would be with one.
I have (and I am sure you have too) seen people with a 1911, which has 2 external safeties, do things that are completely dangerous and unsafe. Those safeties don't prevent negligence. Also, guns don't accidentally go off; someone has to make them go off.
People have accidents, not guns.
Guns sometimes a gun fires when it is not supposed to, and it's due to a mechanical problem. Often it is because someone did some improper gunsmithing work on it.
Sure guns have safety recalls. However, the incidents of these guns harming people are infrequent and usually caught by the company.
What About Drawing a Gun Without A Safety?
“Glock-Leg” it's a thing. I've looked it uplooked it up, and I hear this all the time. It is garbage. The fact that someone shoots themselves in the leg while drawing a firearm is nearly always a training issue and not a gun issue.
Are terms like ‘Glock leg' justified?
During your draw stroke WITH ANY GUN, your finger should never be on the trigger. I remember hearing something about: keeping your finger off the trigger and outside the trigger guard until you decide to shoot.
When someone shoots themselves in the leg, were they following this cardinal safety rule? I don't think so. The gun functioned as intended. However, the user's lack of training, attention, or safety created the problem.
Take that same poorly trained civilian or officer who shot themselves in the leg with their ‘ultra dangerous' Glock while drawing. Now put a firearm with an active, lever/switch type safety in their hand.
Problem solved; they are super safe now.
No need to train or fix the real problem of their finger being on the safety while it was pointed at their leg…right?
If they can't correctly draw their firearm and keep the finger off the trigger while pointing it at themselves, what makes you think that they will suddenly follow all the other safety rules?
We have also added an additional step to a complex draw process.
The fact is they won't become a safer gun handler by putting a safety on their gun. And isn't being a safer and more proficient gun handler what we are striving for?
I am a realist and will acknowledge that some people will not or cannot train enough to fully master a perfect draw stroke and deployment of a firearm. While this should always be the GOAL of everyone who carries a firearm, with tens of millions of firearm carriers in the United States, this will never be the REALITY of ALL carriers.
For these people having a lever-type manual external safety gives them one more layer of protection if they screw up. Again I don't have an issue with the manual safety for these people. However, I will again stress not trusting in the gun's manual safety to keep you safe.
The Effects on Draw With/Without an Active Safety:
We carry an everyday carry gun EDC for the unfortunate situation where death or serious bodily injury is imminent. For this reason, we use it under extreme circumstances. So the quicker it can be deployed, the better. In other words … seconds count.
These life-or-death situations are incredibly high stress and often times chaotic. Unless you train your body to operate under pressure and create muscle memory in your primary responses to an attack, your mind can quickly become over-stimulated and shut down. Call it ‘freezing up' or whatever you want, but the truth is, it is an awful place to be. The more things you ask your mind and body to do, the more opportunity there is for something to go wrong.
Ingraining proper draw fundamentals, ensure your finger is not on the trigger prematurely.
Sweeping a safety off is just one of these things. Is it a huge thing? No, but like everything in life, there is a balance of pros and cons. If you are confident in your trigger finger discipline and you have a good holster and draw stroke, introducing anything else into the equation may not be something you want to do.
Conversely, you may weigh your options and say, ‘I just don't feel comfortable carrying a firearm without a safety lever.' That is fine. In fact, many companies make the same model gun with and without a manual external safety lever.
My Two Cents:
I choose to carry a firearm for everyday carry EDC without an active manual external safety. I practice my draw continually, and my trigger finger discipline is ingrained, so my finger isn't accidentally on the trigger. My finger is on the frame of toy guns, nail guns, drills … pretty much anything that has a pistol grip. My subconscious default is – off the trigger. It takes a conscious decision to put my finger on the trigger.
What about if you carry a 1911 for your EDC. Great! If you like the 1911, you obviously will be carrying it ‘cocked and locked.' In other words, with a round in the chamber, hammer back and safety engaged.
Train sweeping your safety off as part of your draw stroke. Don't cheat yourself and leave the safety off when practicing drawing, merely for quickness sake. The same thing goes for the Beretta 92 and other DA/SA owners. If you constantly practice single-action shots with your safety off but carry with the safety engaged, you won't perform intuitively in a real-life scenario. You will draw your gun, with the safety engaged, and you will be thrown off.
Whichever type of gun you carry, dry fire and practice your draw thousands of times. Video record yourself drawing. Don't just try for quick times. Instead, analyze your draw. See when your finger is moving to the trigger. Is it while you are muzzling yourself? Then work until each time you draw, your finger stays off the trigger.
Again, as far as backstrap safeties are concerned, I like them. However, because of the issues I have seen on the range during close-quarters drills, I recommend that you spend extra training time getting used to how it functions if you have one on your firearm. One of the best things you can do is understand how the malfunction happens. In other words, create the situation where your grip slides down a bit too far, or your weak hand doesn't wholly depress the backstrap safety. This way, you can see exactly how this problem happens, and you can address it in your training.
You have to understand the limitations of your backstrap safety.
What about carrying a gun that has an active external safety lever but just leaving it disengaged. While this is an option, I would, generally speaking, advise against it. For the simple reason that the possibility, however unlikely it may be, for that safety to accidentally engage without your knowledge could cause an issue when needing to fire shots immediately.
Additionally, having an active safety lever on your EDC everyday carry gun might start you down a road of sometimes carrying with the safety engaged, and sometimes not, which is similar to sometimes carrying with a round in the chamber and sometimes not. Both of these scenarios open the door for you not to know the condition of your firearm, confuse the condition of your gun under stress, and could cost you your life.
Final Thoughts:
What you ultimately use for your EDC should be an extremely personal and well-educated choice. If you choose to carry a firearm with or without an active manual external safety, make sure you decide based on facts and not out of unjustified paranoia.
Above all – remember no safety or number of safeties in the world will make that gun safe. It is YOU, your sober actions, and thorough training that will allow you to deploy that firearm when you need to safely. If you need help finding a quality firearms instructor who can provide you the necessary training you need, look no further than this article that describes how to identify a good instructor.
Here Is a Bonus. Remember This Guy?
Most likely, you recognize the guy in the photo below. You have seen the video of the guy shooting himself in the leg while drawing from a holster and attempting to do some close-quarters retention shooting. Or maybe, you heard about him. Here is the video that many people use to point out how important it is to have an active manual external safety on your firearm or why Glock-type guns with only a trigger safety are dangerous. Yes, this is the video …
He was famously known as the ‘I Just Shot Myself' guy.
… the only problem is that the guy wasn't using a Glock or even a striker-fired gun with only a trigger safety. He was using a Kimber Pro Carry 1911. Equipped with … you guessed it, TWO external safeties. Here is a link to a follow-up video the ‘I just shot myself' guy posted one year after his incident. Instead of watching this video and saying, ‘if he had a safety on his gun that would not have happened,' you should be saying, ‘his finger should not have been on the trigger until he pointed the gun toward the target and he was going to squeeze the trigger.'
Keep training and stay safe.
I am agreement with carrying a handgun without an external safety. I do not like them. The only safety I find foolish that was mentioned is the trigger safety. Sure it provides a minimal safety in a very rare instance however I wouldn’t even call it a safety.
Good points… but the recent Sig Sauer P320 fiasco may have proven the value of a trigger safety.
Training is one thing, stress is another. After reading police analysis of reasons for negligent discharges – I’m going to use an external safety for at least 2-3 years.
It seems people just can’t keep their fingers off triggers when bad things happen, and until I feel training is deeeeeep in me, I’m not foolish enough to trust myself.
Just looking at odds? Three facts lead to calculating this: 1. Most defensive use of firearms doesn’t even include taking a shot. 2. After that, even relatively few require split second draw/fire. 3. Most negligent discharge occurs through administrative handling.
Still many ways to shoot myself in the leg, but if I can cut that in half, I will. The reality is a more likely to enter myself or somebody who I love then to protect the same. This leads to the conclusion that training + safety devices are a reasonable way to go.
I admit I’m totally lost about the trigger saftey, not sure it provides anything but happy to be told the error of my ways there.
The external saftey (full disclosure I carry a B92) seems to me to have its greatest value on the reholster. I’m not sure glock leg is a thing but it is much easier to get clothing caught in the trigger guard and have an ND with a gun sans external saftey than one with. That said the answer is, again, training training training. IMHO a saftey conscious person can be safe with either type of gun and an unsafe person could be dangerous with an unloaded black powder revolver….
Hi Whit, thanks for the comment. I wouldn’t say ‘error of your ways’ at all, I think it is just a different way of looking at the different safeties on a firearm. The trigger safety is probably one of the most intuitive and quickest safeties you can have on a gun. It won’t let the gun fire unless the trigger is pulled. At the same time, I agree that as far as disabling the gun, it is not as effective as other types of safeties, because if the issue is pulling the trigger at the wrong time, the trigger safety doesn’t prevent this. Jacob keenly noted that the recent issue with the Sig P320 may have been non-existent had it been equipped with a trigger safety. Ultimately it probably is more of a design flaw, but the trigger safety would have definitely stopped the trigger from moving back from the inertia of the slide hitting the ground.
I totally agree that if you have a manual lever type safety on your firearm, and get your shirt bunched up inside the trigger guard during the process of reholstering, it is probably not going to pull the trigger to the rear and fire the gun. But this is placing the role of gun safety on your gun’s safety lever and not focusing it on the user who is doing something potentially unsafe with his/her gun, i.e. holstering it with a shirt (or something else) in the holster.
I really appreciate your take and feedback. Carried the Beretta 92 (M9) in the MArine Corps, and while I could shoot really well with it, I think if it weren’t for my tiny hands I think I could have shot it even better 🙂 Stay safe and God bless!
There was a story I saw last week (not sure when the story actually happened) where a federal officer at an airport was taking his jacket off and it pulled his weapon out of his holster. He went to catch it, and guess how he caught it? Ya finger went in the trigger and he shot himself in the foot.
One thing that came to me was why didn’t a federal officer at an airport not have a retention holster. The other thing that would have helped is another safety, whether lever or backstrap.
There was another officer at a gun store that had his jacket drawstring tensioner get in his trigger guard when he was holstering. I think an additional safety would have prevented this. (These guys are not beginners)
Will reiterate what you said, no matter what type of safety you may have on your weapon, practice, practice, practice!
Paul, Thanks so much for the response and bringing those incidents to light. I agree these are incidents where a manual safety would have helped and not allowed the gun to fire. However, I think we have to look at the actual cause of both of these incidents. It wasn’t the design or function of the firearm it was a) not maintaining control of your firearm. Taking it out of the holster it was in, for whatever reason, dropping it and then trying to catch it in mid air. And b) having a piece of clothing in the trigger guard when re-holstering. I imagine he didn’t need to get a sub 1 second reholster time, and could have taken the proper safety steps to reholster without having anything besides his gun going into the holster.
Like you said it’s all about practice and paying attention.
Excellent article I have external safety on my EDC and have practiced all the time with it plus trigger finger discipline is a must I also carry a revolver due to event I’m attending again thanks for a great article
I have a Glock 23 and I rack on the draw.
That’s what I’m thinking. Manual safety can be useful when you need to handle the gun with no intention of shooting it. Once holstered you always have the option to disable the safety for simpler/faster draw to shoot reaction.
Hey Matt,
You and I had an Ankle Carry exchange awhile back. You, Jacob, and Riley are never condescending or smug in your comments. You guys run an informed, class outfit. Hope you are well.
Scott McEntire
I think no manual safety. Because if life death situations thats another thing to do.as most police and operators don’t have safetys.to each their own.pratice drawing.every week
I am in absolute agreement with the devices working as intended for experienced shooters and user misuse being the source of accidental premature ejection, but I would like your opinion on new shooters and new CWP holders.
My son is 21 and is seriously considering a firearm with no external safety. He is planning on getting his permit and will likely make the purchase the same day if not before. Needing to acknowledge that this is a common occurrence at local ranges and gun shows, what would you suggest for the brand new guy or gal absent of said training and experience. People who have never been really tested or drawn from a holster, but eager to learn and practice. Would you not advise an external safety being an important layer of protection for the newer shooters.
You have ppl with experience making mistakes, not only coming in or out of the holster, but accidentally leaving the gun in a bathroom or on a dresser still chambered. The cold reality of, wow I can’t believe I just did that (even if nothing happens). Can you honestly say don’t carry at all until… or use all the additional layers of protection while developing great habits. I know the easy answer is, they shouldn’t carry until they are at said level, but the reality is so many will feel they are ready as soon as they are legal. My son is very serious about getting the proper training and practice, but a new shooter reading the above, who may be overly self confidant and optimistic will still have humbling learning experiences imo. Full disclosure, I have experience as a hunter and with rifles, but I do not have a CWP.
Hi Ray, Thanks for the question and for putting thought into your Son’s choice of firearm, I can appreciate that. There are certainly people who would go with the process of learning to draw with a firearm with safety, and then when proficient transfer over to a gun without a safety if they want. There is nothing wrong with this method. I would agree that no one should learn how to draw their firearm (external safety or not) by first using a loaded firearm. Any new skill should first be learned through dryfire, and broken down into basic steps. By doing this, we safely can begin to engrain the proper technique without concern for speed. As the technique is perfected, increased speed will naturally follow. It is true that there are instances where people have shot themselves while drawing out of their holsters. The instances are not as widespread as one would think, and while a higher percentage of those negligent shootings occur with firearms that do not have an external safety, a good number of them do happen with guns that have an external safety. What I takeaway is that proper technique is a much better indicator of if someone will have a negligent discharge with their firearm, than the number of external safeties. There is nothing wrong with the person who want’s to carry a firearm with external safety. An important point would be that even with a gun that has a manual external safety, the technique should never be to get your finger on the trigger before the muzzle is rotated away from the body. So I guess my recommendation would be that if your son wants to carry a firearm without a manual external safety, that he dryfire the proper technique constantly. And he should also try and get to a range where he can practice drawing a loaded firearm as well. He would obviously want to confirm those skills on the range, but for a bit refer back to the step by step process of drawing but this time with a loaded firearm. Ideally, a professionally instructed class is always beneficial, because a good instructor will go through this process with the student, and focus on them building the proper technique first. I hope this helps.
In all my research and following instructors I have yet to find and article written that is as comprehensive, well authored, and has a great style as this. Great discussion of a little-covered subject that is so important. One element that is covered herein, that is poorly addressed in mainstream gunhandling, is the draw and presentation. 99% of the emphasis on gunhandling is range proficiency – shooting from a static position, at a static target. Little is discussed about awareness and close quarters combat where many assailants like to operate from. Seconds count for sure. Great article Matt.
Thank you Sir, don’t think I have had such a glowing endorsement before. Very humbling, and hopefully I can stay up to the standard 🙂 Glad you enjoyed the article and stay safe, God bless.
If it is a striker fired gun, absolutely yes. Otherwise no.
my glock 19 has an external safety. it is between my ears. IE, “keep your booger hook off of the bang switch!”
Really good stuff. Hit home in a couple of areas for me. When I first started carrying I worried over the round in chamber – or not. As I gained experience and confidence with my EDC firearm and read articles and info pro and con I chose to carry chambered. Wow! Who knew?! That round just stayed right in the chamber! Could be that I take safety and handling firearms seriously.
For a while I’ve pondered the safety on/off issue. I even converted my Beretta from dual to single sided safety. Which seems to have ended discovering that the safety was off , usually at the end of the day. But then, I wondered why I would have the safety normally on when, like most revolvers my Beretta is double action (on the first shot). My conclusion, as also reenforced by the article is that I feel safer with the safety normally engaged. My inclination is to always have the safety on and always assume it’s on. It’s only a quick thumb lift to disengage it and usually done as I draw. Finger off the trigger until on target.
That being said, there have been times that I’ve disengaged the safety before drawing. Sketchy situation or potential problem area.
Hi,
You said, ” have the safety on and always assume it’s on”. Shouldn’t you always assume the safety is always OFF? Just like, always assume every gun is loaded? Just a thought..
@Tom – I think it’s the same as assuming whether the gun is loaded or not. It is always in the wrong position until you’ve checked. If the gun is lying on a table and (1) you pick it up to shoot an intruder – it turns out to be unloaded or (2) a child picks it up and it is loaded.
I think Ray meant that when he is drawing the gun to use, he assumes the safety is off and sweeps his thumb accordingly. OTOH if he pulls it out for administrative work, he checks that safety is on. That is how I treat my shield. If I were buying it now, I’d have gotten the model without external safety switch – but this is easy and natural to sweep off during draw, and positive in it’s position so that it is really a non-issue. Well actually, when I pull the gun out to put away I usually have to switch the safety back on as it ‘automatically’ turns off as it clears the holster.
The problem with an external safety,especially for newer shooters, is they rely too heavily on the safety to keep them safe I was an LEO for 30 years and have shot competition sense the mid 80’s. I have witnessed untold amount of competitors in action.Unfortunately I witnessed on 2 occasions, competitors with manual safeties accidentally shoot themselves,both times in the leg.Their muscle memory was such that when calmly practicing, as soon as they disengaged the safety,they squeezed the trigger. In a stressful situation,i.e. competition or a real life or death situation, they were under pressure to quickly get off that first shot and disengaged the safety prior to completing the draw and then by muscle memory, they next fired the weapon,also prior to completing the draw.In all my years of shooting all types of firearms, I have the perfect,fail safe safety that works every time. Keep your Damn finger out of the trigger until ready to actually fire.You newer shooters need to think about how easy/difficult it will be to disengage that safety under very stressful situation.
Right on Don!! 100% agree.
Thank you so much for posting this article. Finally, someone has actually addressed this issue and stated what I have always believed. I carry a Glock 30s. As for function and safety, I consider carrying my Glock 30s no different than if I were carrying my Ruger.357 Security-Six revolver,or my Skilsaw. You keep that trigger finger pointed straight forward until you make a conscious decision at which time you move your finger to the trigger and pull.
Safety is all in the User. I don’t know how many times I have argued this point. Most people understand and some don’t.
Thank you for teaching some common sense!
Thanks Robert, I tend to find that things are pretty easy to understand when broken down to the basics. I may not be a genius but I can understand most colors and basic shapes 🙂 I agree, some don’t get it and some do, and some just haven’t had it explained in a way that makes sense. Keep fighting the good fight!!
Excellent article, that covered the topic extremely well in my opinion. I’m a former 1911 guy, who chose to change to a Springfield XDm when my arthritic thumbs finally made it too hard to field-strip and clean my 1911. I chose the XDm primarily because it can be field-stripped more easily, but also because of the “feel” of it in my hand. However, I preferred a pistol with a “grip safety” rather than only a “trigger safety,” because of the possibility of an ND occurring when moving the pistol in and out of places where something might accidentally catch the trigger without my knowledge. I’ve heard that this has occurred several times with Glocks, and I can see how it might happen. This is my EDC gun and it sometimes has to be placed out of sight in my vehicle, or into other places where I may not be able to see well enough to tell if there could be an obstruction that could engage the trigger. In these (admittedly rare) circumstances, I will not be holding the pistol in a normal grip, hence the grip safety will be engaged and prevent an ND if something pushes against the trigger. As noted in the article, it is always important to have a proper grip on the pistol when firing it, whether in a “normal” position or not. I also agree that this is a training issue.
In my opinion, the concept of a “trigger safety” is a tad stupid, but maybe that’s just me. If your finger intentionally engages the trigger, there is no need for a “safety” there, and if it does so UNintentionally, or if anything else engages the trigger, the “trigger safety” would also disengage – so what’s the point? What kind of error or malfunction is being prevented?
Just an FYI, for a while, I used a slip-on rubber grip (designed to provide finger grooves and non-stick grip) that was designed to ride the grip below the bottom of the grip safety, so as to avoid engaging it. I found that, in the course of regular daily carry in an IWB holster, the slip-on grip will “ride up” on the grip over time. While this means your grip is slightly different after this happens, it also means that the grip safety may be depressed and disengaged by the mispositioned slip-on grip. This of course, means that the “safety factor” you might be counting on is no longer there. I no longer use the slip-on grip, and since I am normally very safety conscious, nothing untoward occurred, but it was an interesting discovery nonetheless, and I pass it on for what it’s worth.
I’m an old retired Law Enforcement officer…so old my first duty weapon was a .38 revolver! So I saw first hand the transition from wheel guns to semi autos. I had a fairly enlightened chief, so we were early converts and allowed to carry any pistol with which we could qualify. My choice was a Colt 1911, of course chambered for .45ACP. Bullet technology back then wasn’t nearly what it is today, so the 9MM was shunned as a weak sister. The thinking being “A 9MM might not expand, but my .45 will never shrink!” Then Glocks (AKA Tupperware) came to the USA along with rumors of using the dishwasher to clean them and when the .40 S&W (short & weak) debuted and the rest was history. That old Colt stayed with me a long time, but now it’s a couple Kimbers, one full size and one 3 inch. And even though my old partner is probably spinning in his grave, these days I usually step out of the house with a Sig P938…light, easy to hide, fits my old arthritic hands like it was built for me and shoots like a dream. With new bullet technology I no longer feel undergunned with the 9. Hmmmm…they all have external safety levers pretty much in the same spot and even though John Moses Browning stated they should be carried cocked and UNLOCKED (yes, really..look it up if you don’t believe me) mine are always engaged until the draw. Finger off the trigger until I want it to go bang…and after 40+ years of carrying one nearly every day I’ve NEVER shot myself in the a$$, leg or any other body part. I’ve got nothing against pistols without the external bang switch, in fact (gasp) I own 3 or 4 of them including the dreaded Tupperware, but they rarely get to ride with me except to the range. It’s a matter of training, years of experience and comfort level. So go with what works for you, but remember the only true safety is the one between your ears!
Humans make mistakes; I prefer to minimize my chances. In my judgment, a SA pistol should have a manual safety (vs. DA or DA/SA). Just my personal 2ȼ.
JungleCogs, I agree totally humans make mistakes, my wife is constantly reminding me of this 🙂 To play devil’s advocate here, couldn’t you also have a ‘mistake’ when you need to use your firearm and not take the gun off safe, or fumble with it? That ‘mistake’ could also result in something undesirable.
I believe that the chance of having a ‘mistake’ during a high-stress incident is much higher than during a low-stress activity like when you may just be holstering your gun before leaving the house or unholstering it at the end of the day. In these less stressful times, it would seem that if someone is doing what they should be doing and paying attention their likelihood of making a mistake is less. IF someone is worried about making a mistake during training, they should train their technique without ammunition until they have mastered it and can do it without making mistakes.
I do agree that some people feel more comfortable with a safety on SA guns, and I don’t knock anyone who does. I think that the world is big enough for people with both opinions. 🙂
I learned to shoot as a hunter and a competitive shooter in the 1970s. It’s been ingrained in me to always unload your firearm and always keep the safety on, etc. There was never a self defence component to my early training. Recently, my wife and got pistols and took our CPL classes and got licenced. I have been carrying and after the first day, felt confident enough to carry with a round in the chamber, but with the safety on (S&W M&P Shield with safety). I’m too freaked out to carry with the safety off in my current state of training and carry experience. My wife has a Ruger LC9S without a safety but she uses a soft rubber trigger plug. We’re not ready yet to carry safety-free, but we’re still better prepared than 99.9 % of the folks out there. In time, we may have the confidence to go safety-free, but it’s an evolutionary process and you need to be ready for it. The guys who keep telling me safe=dead just piss me off and make me want to just leave the Gun home.
I LOVE your comment! Everything about it. Thank you for contributing to this conversation.
Thanks, my name should have been Craig, but no way to edit ?
Crai/Craig 🙂
I commend you on using your brain and knowing what you and your wife are confident with. But not just that, but understanding that with training comes confidence. That is the huge difference between your mindset and people that do something without any facts or understanding but just because. When or if you decide to carry a firearm without a safety it will be because you feel confident in your gear and training, and not because someone strong armed you into doing something you weren’t comfortable doing.
I have to follow up and make sure to tell you not to give in to the pressure to do what someone else is doing. Yes there is absolutely right and wrong technique, and things that are tactically better but if it comes to a point where you feel like you don’t want to carry your firearm because you don’t march to the exact same tune, take a step back and remember…you carry a firearm to protect your family and yourself. Not to impress anyone or get a quicker draw time on a timer. Train your butt off, be ready and confident and you will be just fine. If you ever come out to Ohio, I would be happy to shoot with you and your wife.
Stay safe and God bless.
I’m a newbie to this site and hardly an expert on this topic. But I’ve read quite a bit about it elsewhere, and some of those self-proclaimed experts would take exception with you on one point.
They claim that you do not sweep the safety off as part of the draw. As you raise your weapon, and evaluate the absence of innocents behind the target, then you begin to align your weapon/sights onto the target. Somewhere in this last step, as the weapon is being aligned, you sweep the safety off. Can’t get Glock leg with a 1911 that way!
Hi Tommy,
Thanks for the feedback. It sort of depends on where you want to say the draw stroke ends. In my mind draw stroke, should flow into the presentation of the firearm. I also don’t see a point in waiting to sweep the safety off until your firearm is extended out and you decide to squeeze the trigger. For one, there are times you are going to need to shoot from close compression/retention. You may never extend the gun out, begin to align your sights (because you’re not using your sights). Secondly, as soon as the gun is rotated toward the threat, the safety should come off. Rotating the gun is part of the draw stroke and not part of presenting the firearm. What is the point of waiting? You can’t get Glock leg with a 1911 if your finger is off the trigger no matter if the safety is engaged or not. Why not sweep it off as soon as you rotate the gun towards the threat? If you could point me in the direction of the instructors who are teaching this method I would love to look at it and try to understand their rationale.
Thanks and God bless.
If I am carrying a pistol with a safety it is always off. I know that the gun it is loaded with one in the barrel. I do practice draws a lot and always have my trigger finger off the trigger and parallel to the barrel until on target. It may only take a fraction of a second to turn a safety off……..that fraction could be my death.
When I was in the Coast Guard we were constantly doing drills of every sort. So much so until I seriously wondered why, we’re not idiots, we know what to do. Then one night General Quarters came over the PA system: “Fire in the engine room, fire in the engine room, this is not a drill, I repeat, this is not a drill.” When I got to my battle station I realized I had closed all of the external vents assigned to me without even thinking about it. That’s when it occurred to me how important constant over and over and over training is. You automatically do what you’ve been trained to do without having to think about it. You just do it. My point obviously is it’s the same with a persons EDC weapon. Train drawing your pistol at home until you think it’s being ridiculous and then say to yourself, yeah, maybe so, but I’m not in a high high stress situation either and practice some more. I’m not trying to tell anyone how they should train themselves, just what works for me and you can take it or leave it. Everyone needs to make their own decision on that, same as what firearm to carry.
As a retired Correction’s Officer, I’ve used many different types of guns with many different types of safeties for inmate transport. Through the years, I’ve learned and taught that if you do not have time to think through the shot, you should not take the shot. We call snap shooting “panic shooting” which results in a lot of misses and innocent victims being hit. With the trigger safety guns, I’ve seen officers shoot themselves by accidentally touching the trigger while trying to snap draw their weapon in an effort to outdraw a bad guy. In a real life and death situation, trying to quick draw the weapon is a disaster in motion. Leave that type of stuff to the movies! Personally, I carry a 1911 .45 for my everyday conceal carry. It incorporates the manual trigger as well as the back strap grip safety which forces me to keep my mind in gear while drawing and taking a shot. If my mind isn’t together enough to properly work both of these safeties, then I’m glad my gun wouldn’t fire, because I don’t have the presence of mind to be sure of my target, my surroundings, and what lies beyond my target . . . which could easily be an innocent victim about to be shot with a through and through. I don’t want to be charged with murder while taking down a bad guy. If the bad guy is beyond 30′, then I can most likely duct for cover as I draw my weapon. If the bad guy is within 30′, I guarantee you I can quickly cover that distance and take the bad guy down before he can draw and fire off one shot! I reckon it all boils down to knowing yourself and your abilities in a real life and death situation; And this you will not find out until you are actually in a life and death fight for your life . . . no matter how you train and visualize. Police Officers are well trained for these types of situations, and still we have to wait until they are in the real-deal before we find out how they will react. You’d be surprised how many well trained officers go into meltdown in a real life situation. We have a sign that should go up on every shooters wall by the exit door, “KNOW THYSELF!” Pick a gun your safest with! No one can tell you what that is. You must find that out for yourself!
Editorial Note Matt: They are super safe now, no need to train or fix the real problem of their finger being on the safety while it was pointed at their leg right?
I think you want it to read, ‘…finger being on the trigger while pointed…’
Lots of good comments though. As it turns out, I’ve always carried and competed with DA/SA guns with decockers, Beretta and CZ, so that is a feature I look for when buying a new gun and training with them.
I carry a S&W compact IWB with no thumb safety. Only time I ever think about something going wrong is when I’m sitting down or moving around a bunch, such as driving. It’s securely in holster but sometimes while sitting its a bit uncomfortable. I may need to look at different holsters and see if there are more comfy ones for doing activities like sitting or crouching while carrying IWB.
We have this article that links to what we consider to be the best holsters we’ve reviewed. That’s a great place to start if you’re in the market for a new holster. Matthew reviewed them all and found them to be great. Here is the article: https://www.concealedcarry.com/gear/top-concealed-carry-holsters-reviewed/
What are your thoughts on having a home defense firearm (Ruger Security 9) which has an active thumb safety, stored in a personal lockbox. Should safety be on and train with it (home defense) switching safety off during removal from box? Keeping in mind I may not need to shoot, like you hear someone maybe entering or around your home at 2am and I just want it out and ready. On top of that, should my EDC weapon (sub compact) match the thumb safety of my home firearm (full size Ruger) ? same type (or lack of) of thumb safety on both? In other words for muscle memory, is it necessary to replace either the EDC or full size home defense so that they both have a thumb safety or they both don’t? Technically I don’t have to store the home defense Ruger Sec9 with the safety engaged because its in a lockbox?, then I could get an small EDC with no thumbs safety to match it? but then there is always the possibility of the safety of the home defense accidentally being on and the thumb sweep is not part of normal training, and I am momentarily screwed. My current EDC does not have a thumb safety (kahr cw45), and at this point in my training I worry somewhat about accidental discharge appendix carry, so I do feel better with a thumb safety, but I could see how in an emergency it’s just something else that could go wrong. Thoughts?
Dave, awesome questions that show you understand a lot of the training issues that can arise with multiple types of firearms and what not. I don’t think it is a terrible thing to have different types of guns for home defense and EDC. For example, if you carry a revolver for EDC and have a semi-auto for home defense. Will the manual of arms be different? Of course, but as long as you spend adequate time training with both, I think you’re able to transition between the two. Especially with a home defense gun. You may grab your gun from a safe turn and fire on an intruder in seconds, but that type of scenario is far more likely in a situation outside your home, where you would be carrying your EDC. After reading literally hundreds and hundreds of home invasion stories, the majority of homeowners are alerted by a noise or something and then retrieve their firearm. Of course, there are many home invasion examples where the homeowner used their firearm because they had immediate access to it, ie. on their person or staged in a place they had immediate access.
I know you specifically were addressing external safeties. I personally am not a huge fan of active safeties on self-defense guns, for the reasons you mentioned. I know the fear of having a safety and leaving it disengaged is well what if it accidentally gets engaged when I need it. That is a concern for sure. But, for what it’s worth, and this is only anecdotal from time in the Marine Corps and training others, I have seen far more safeties accidentally find themselves in the off position than leaving them disengaged only later to find they accidentally engaged. This is across the line with M-16’s, Beretta M9’s and the myriad of firearms students have brought to the range. It is definitely more typical that a student leaves their safety on, when they think it is off on the range. This isn’t an accidental incident like it got bumped on gear or the holster, this is just a training issue. Nevertheless, I don’t advise using a gun that has a manual external safety but leaving it disengaged. It’s just one more thing that could potentially go wrong. There are already too many variables that I can’t control, so what I can control, I do.
So here would be my advice. look at the vulnerabilities in your home, where someone would likely try to exploit and break in. Ensure you can get to a gun without having to cross this area, from any place in the house. If that means gun safes staged in different areas/floors of the home, that’s the best plan. If it’s not feasible or you always can carry inside your home. I recommend that to anyone who can, that solves many issues. Ideally, you should train with your EDC and HD gun. We’re not trying to go for a separate manual of arms on each gun, as there are also other hurdles overcome. Things like sight picture and point of aim, trigger squeeze etc. Say you have a 1911 and G19. Take them both to the range and train under stress. If you are forgetting to disengage the safety on the 1911, or trying to engage an imaginary safety on your G19 then it’s less than ideal.
I like the way you’re thinking. Minimize the variables, and control what you can control.
Good article. Main point I took from it is train, train, train, and teain some more. You mentioned decockers. But not much more than a mention that I saw. Any further comments on a decocker?
Thanks for the question Mark. What type of info about decockers are you wondering about. If you’re wondering about having a decocker on an EDC, I would say that it sorta depends on the person. Most DA/SA guns with decockers or a safety that decocks the gun when engaged, are not necessarily designed to be carried with the hammer back unlike a SA Semi. I think a decocker is a nice thing to have because you can chamber a round, and send the hammer forward with a decocker instead of walking it forward. A decocker also allows you to send the hammer forward and holster the gun with one hand. As far as the decocker lever getting in the way, or confused for the safety or slide stop, sure it’s a possibility. But it likely becomes a lesser issue with more familiarity with the gun. I have shot guns with safeties and I never confused the slide stop for the safety under stress. I may have forgotten to disengage a safety a time or two (I am probably the only one) but never confused any of the controls on the gun. Just my 2 cents. Hope this makes sense and was what you wanted to chat about.
I’ve not been in the military or LE but have carried a pistol since training for and receiving my CCW permit 25 years ago and have completed NRA Certified Instructor training. My EDC is a S&W 4013. Before that purchase decision, I read many articles and gun reviews in the handgun magazines at the time and relied on them in the absence of any formal training up to that point for info that would help me choose the best pistol, ammo and holsters. One article that was key in my decision to purchase a gun with an external safety/decocker lever and a magazine disconnect safety had to do with making or choosing a model that is proprietary to its user. The author set up an informal test at a range with about four or five different semi-auto pistols, loaded them, set them out side by side and engaged their safety mechanisms (some external, some internal). He then randomly asked other shooters at the range to pick up one of the pistols, aim and fire at the target while he used a stopwatch to time how long it took from his go signal to when the shot was fired. In most cases, the random shooters were not familiar with how a particular pistol worked–how its safety was disengaged. Some tried to shoot, were unable to, fumbled with the gun looking for its safety. In many cases, it took the unfamiliar shooter a long time before they got a shot off. Others were able to disengage the safety and shoot quickly. The author’s point was that if a bad guy gets your gun, having that safety engaged can buy you some time to either escape or draw a second gun or tackle the bad guy and prevent him from using your gun. Having never carried before, not knowing what to expect in the real world, that seemed like a valuable feature to me and advised my choice of pistol/safety style. However, as mentioned above, a mechanical “safety” is no substitute for training and safe gun handling practice. The trigger is regarded as “hot” regardless of the status of the safety or whether or not the chamber is loaded. No finger in the trigger guard until you’re on target and ready to shoot. Also, my trigger and trigger guard are always covered either by the holster on the hip or the nylon web holster the gun goes in as soon as it’s unholstered. The gun is ALWAYS in a holster whether it’s being worn or stored and the trigger guard is covered so the gun can be moved under a car seat, under a bed or in a bag. This protects against grabbing it blindly and pulling the trigger while reaching for it. It’s a habit just like not pointing the muzzle at something, crossing yourself, etc. It’s a “layered” method of safer gun handling and would have to be added to if children were ever in my environment which was seldom the case in 25 years. I like the external safety much better than a passive trigger safety which seems counter-intuitive to me. If pulling the trigger is the only way to fire the gun, why have a safety that is defeated by pulling the trigger?
As a brand new gun owner and CCW newbie I am currently searching for my EDC. What makes me different from many commenters here is I’m a middle aged woman with three small kids. Does that change the opinions nor advice regarding safeties? Also, if I were to get something without an external safety is there some kind of temporary type safety I could get and use with whatever EDC I decide on until more comfortable?
Mama in Nevada, I don’t think my advice changes based on your situation. I have 2 young children also and I handle and manage the gun to ensure they never have access to it… so with or without a safety my gun is not available to my children. So ultimately it comes down to your ability to handle the gun well and follow safe protocol. As to adding some sort of addon safety there are options. You can always leave the chamber empty which makes the gun safe until you cycle/rack the slide to load a round. You can also purchase a number of trigger locks and similar products as well.
I have a Sig P365 for my EDC. It has no external safeties at all. I understand that only an outside force will make that gun fire, but could it possibly fire if dropped accidentally or hit by something if kept in condition 1?
I have recently obtained my CWP and obviously looking to replace my Taurus Judge for EDC. In my limited 50 year experience I have owned and shot several (.380,.25, 1911, .50 Desert Eagle) SA handguns. Even in a low stress range environment, I have had issues with the safety being on when I try to fire the weapon. Maybe it is just good trigger discipline or what, I have never had that problem with a revolver (.357 SW, Taurus Judge) and never shot myself or anyone else. I just cannot see the sense in carrying a weapon without one in the chamber and I do not want to change that habit. I like the Sig P365 for that reason. I am a biker and would like to carry my weapon in my left inside Jacket pocket, no safety, no holster…am I crazy? Of course, I carry the pistols in a shoulder holster.
A lot of people misconstrue law enforcement/military/home defense versus concealed EDC. In the latter as a civilian, your firearm is a last ditch self defense option. There’s a good chance you might be engaged in a physical altercation and could lose your firearm in the process. Knowing your firearm and the manual safety can actually be a defensive barrier that will buy you time if the perp acquires your gun. I agree that the owner is responsible for pulling the trigger, however that assumes a normal, singular circumstance with nobody attacking and trying to disarm you.
I’ve personally witnessed a self defense situation that where a clinch happened and as the defender pulled their CCW, the perp grabbed their hand and the firearm discharged shooting the good guy in the lower extremity. I’ve since changed my stance on external safeties and fully agree with their relevance. It all comes down to training.
Thanks for the interesting article about the safety on a handgun. I actually didn’t know that a backstrap safety needs to be squeezed for it to disengage. It sounds important to know how your gun works especially so you know how to use it properly.
I switched to a Glock 26 after carrying a P-64 for a while. The P-64 is a fine little pistol but I used to worry that I might not have the time/presence of mind to swipe off the manual safety before attempting to shoot. I was a little concerned about carrying a pistol that “only” had a trigger safety, but a couple of rules applied without exception basically render any risk minimal. One, take care holstering the pistol. This means not using a holster that requires you to point at the family jewels, etc. Don’t allow clothes, etc. to get inside the trigger guard when holstering. Two, exercise trigger control when drawing. This should be a no-brainer. Keep your booger hook off the bang switch. This precludes the use of holsters with release buttons.
Actually…
If you had watched the “I just shot myself” video you would realize you should never use a Serpa holster.
There’s so many contradictions in the anti manual safety argument, it really makes me wonder how people can’t see it. On the one hand, you shouldn’t carry a gun with a manual safety if you’re going to leave it off because the safety could accidentally be engaged. On the other hand, you don’t need a manual safety because “the user is the one who pulls the trigger”. How can we apply accidental engagement logic to the safety, but not the trigger? Just use a holster that protects the safety and all should be good, right? Or what about the “well yeah, you can use a manual safety, but then you have to train with it.” YOU SHOULD ALWAYS be training with your gun and know how to use it! Are we to say advocating against manual safeties is an excuse for incompetence now? This is a six of one, half a dozen the other debate and it literally doesn’t matter which one you get. Just know how your gun works. Period.
JMHO. Hand guns without a manual safety similar to the Glock are required to be carried in a holster that covers the trigger guard. I for one do not own any firearm without a manual safety. Many times I do not want to carry my handgun in a holster. I may wish to go into a convenience store or walk up to an ATM at night or during the day. I may wish to stick my HG into the front pocket of a hoodie. The holster would just get in the way. So I engage the manual safety and stick the piece in a coat, hoodie pocket and go do my business. I often don’t carry concealed but just in the car. Now as to forgetting to flip off the safety lever. If one is so inexperienced as to forget to disengage the safety then don’t carry a gun. This no safety sh!t started with glock and has taken the gun community and manufactures by storm. I guess people are too lazy to learn their firearm.
No manual safety, no sale. Period. It’s a lot easier to train your thumb to operate the safety lever than your index finger to stay away from the trigger. Every time we grab things, the index finger is used in the process. Now, in that once per lifetime hyper stressful situation we are supposed to control that reflex. Sure. The idea that your brain is your safety is beyond moronic because it assumes that we make no mistakes and things are always where they should be. It comes from that arrogance of “experts” and their insistence on training, training, training…Most people have jobs and go to the range twice a year. Guns sold in gun stores are for them, not the “experts”.
AR-15s and AK-47s have a manual safety. End of the debate.
I find the selective reasoning to these “your safety is your brain” creatures goofy. On the one hand he admits under stress you might forget to disengage the safety but that same stress can have you pull the trigger and cause a ND. But they are in denial about it. This is why mechanical redundancies exist. The brain is not at 100% all the time. This is why the military has safeties on all small arms ALL. Train with a safety so when under stress you can use it.
If you can train with the mechanical safety so under stress you can use it, could you also train without a mechanical safety so that under stress you don’t pull the trigger?
Carrying a handgun without a manual safety is just stupid.