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Two Gun Stories We Can Learn From

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Sometimes we see news stories that highlight what not to do when you're a gun owner or carrier of a concealed gun. It's always a delight, or not depending on your outlook on life, when two stories fly across my desk on the same day.

Please know that whenever I cover stories like this it's not my intent to sound snarky or to poke fun at the people involved, though that does sometimes happen because I'm a naturally snarky person. My goal with these types of articles is to teach you (and me) what not to do with our guns.

These stories serve as a reminder of sorts to say, don't be stupid. And I think we can all use reminders from time to time.

Let's get started:

Shooting a fleeing suspected burglar —

I'm fairly certain we've said on more than one occasion that shooting at a guy who is just stealing your property (when there is no threat to life), even though it is a crime, is a no-go situation in most instances. This story out of Yakima, Washington shows us why.

The Yakima County prosecutor, Joe Brusic, is looking into the recent shooting of a burglary suspect, as he fled. The 24 year old male received a gunshot to the back of the head while fleeing in a vehicle, after burglarizing a building.

The suspected burglar told the County Sheriff's Deputies that the property owners opened fire as he drove the vehicle around them, and that he was subsequently hit in the head. It has been reported that other shots hit other parts of the vehicle.

While Brusic wouldn't comment on if the property owners will be facing criminal charges, he is investigating the matter further, even though the suspect told deputies he didn't personally intend to press charges.

Brusic said:

To use potentially deadly force to keep someone from stealing property or obtain property back is always a serious matter.

Deputies found a lot of the stolen property to include two trucks, a plasma cutter, and two welders. Some of the property was found at the suspect's residence after the deputies arrested him on unrelated charges that same evening.

The spokesman for the Yakima County Sheriff said this regarding the use of force:

Human life is more important than the property. Reasonable force can be used to protect property — deadly force can be used to protect people. Defending yourself is your right, but it comes with rules, rights and obligations.

I've covered this topic before in this article here, and can say that I've been told by firearm attorneys that it is generally seen as a bad thing to protect property with deadly force and that it should only be used to protect life when life is being threatened.

We don't know if charges will be pressed by the prosecutor, but it doesn't seem to be off the table. Finally, the phrase “when in doubt, whip it out” does not apply to the use of a firearm to stop a burglary in progress.

The correct course of action here would likely have been to call the police, report the stolen goods, and then wait. Does that suck? Yeah, but so does spending some time in jail if they find you guilty.

Source.

Negligence in Public:

We see negligent discharges a lot. Sadly. But that's not the entire point with this story as we'll see. The story takes place in Atlanta, GA and shows that a man was in a mall and “accidentally” fired his gun while adjusting himself (it doesn't say if he was adjusting the gun or something else, but I believe that to be the case).

Nobody was hurt during this incident and the premature discharger fled the scene and has not been identified as of this writing.

Before I get to the point I'm trying to make, let me first say that you should always use a proper holster and that adjusting yourself can be a cause for disaster if you're not using one. Furthermore, adjusting yourself is never a good thing because you may give away the fact that you're carrying a gun to begin with.

All bad stuff.

The point I want to make is that witnesses reportedly told police that the shooting happened after a dispute. This dispute was later found to be untrue by the police, but we need to keep in mind that witnesses never have the full story, and regularly make things up even if they don't mean to.

This is one of the reasons why we always need to line our ducks up in a row and make sure we're squared away. Now, the chances that this clown was illegally carrying a gun are high, but the point remains that any incident concerning a firearm is likely to have mixed reports and signals from those around us.

And of course, there is also always the chance that someone is going to lie to make you look bad for discharging your gun, even if you had reason to do so (for example, your life was in danger).

Source.

Conclusion:

These “what not to do” stories are important case studies for those of us who take carrying a gun seriously. Our main goal with the dissection of these stories, is to learn from them.

It's important to remember that we should only engage someone if human life is threatened because the jurisdiction you're in may not see your property as important as you do.

Also, put your gun in a holster, don't adjust it once it's there, and remember that bystanders almost never see things the way you do and will often give a false report of the circumstances as they happened.

Leave your thoughts on this in the comments below.

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8 Responses to Two Gun Stories We Can Learn From

  1. Robert OBrien December 8, 2020 at 2:51 pm #

    Good article Josh! There are always good and bad examples that need to be reviewed for our own education. You should do an article on this story too: https://www.npr.org/2020/12/08/944309126/federal-investigators-join-probe-into-casey-goodson-shooting-death since it’s another one related to someone legally authorized to carry that went very wrong. Thanks!

    • CHRISTIE WAGNER December 10, 2020 at 9:45 am #

      What is a B.K.? Don’t use abbreviations unless they’re universally known. I have a paralegal certification and have never heard of a “B.K.” nor have any of the several lawyers I’ve queried.

  2. Danofive0 December 9, 2020 at 9:59 pm #

    One thing you need to remember. If you use your gun in any way.
    NEVER. NEVER talk with the police until you have a lawyer with you.
    And the right kind of lawyer. Just give your name. And ask for a lawyer.
    And make them give you the right kind of lawyer. Not some B.K. Our a family law lawyer.
    Know your rights and use them.

  3. Richard December 10, 2020 at 8:20 am #

    very educational articles ! always good reminders of what to do and what not to do ! thank you !!

  4. CHRISTIE WAGNER December 10, 2020 at 9:48 am #

    If you beling to the USCCA (United States Cincealed Carry Association) membership inclydes providing you with an attorney experienced and qualified in gun deffense. Everyone committed to defending himself should beling to USCCA.

  5. Richard December 10, 2020 at 12:48 pm #

    If you want to see a classic “how not to carry a gun” tragedy, one happened here in Louisville this spring (I think it was June). During a protest demonstration a self-appointed “security guard” was carrying his pistol in a holster with the handle pointed outward, in a “please help yourself” position. A sicko felon grabbed his gun and shot and killed an innocent bystander. You can look the story up in the newspaper, the Courier-Journal.

  6. DaveyJoe December 10, 2020 at 2:42 pm #

    Good stuff. It’s important that we all know this, as many of us are new to carrying guns and may or may not know all the proper rules and regulations or even some of the laws in our own particular areas. These articles are wake up calls to our common sense.

  7. David Lett December 13, 2020 at 10:04 pm #

    USCCA

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