Episode 100: Walgreens Murder: 5 Lessons to Learn From a CCWer’s Ultimate Sacrifice

Topic: Walgreens Murder: 5 Lessons to Learn From a CCWer’s Ultimate Sacrifice

Today we analyze an incident from last year where a Marine Veteran and Concealed Carrier died trying to intervene in a deadly incident outside a Walgreens store.


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About Riley Bowman

Riley Bowman is the Director of Training at ConcealedCarry.com and the Host of the Concealed Carry Podcast. He came up in this world initially through his 8-year experience with a state-level law enforcement agency in Colorado. Riley has trained extensively under instructors such as: Rob Leatham, Mike Seeklander, Tim Herron, Scott Jedlinski, Matt Little, Kyle Lamb, Dave Spaulding, Jeff Gonzales, Bill Blowers, Chuck Pressburg, and others, amassing many hundreds of hours of formal shooting and tactics training. He is an NRA Pistol Instructor, a Colorado P.O.S.T. Handgun and Patrol Rifle Instructor, a graduate of Trident Concepts Concealed Carry Instructor course, and a Modern Samurai Project Endorsed Instructor. He also competes in USPSA and 3-gun competitions including numerous top-10 finishes at major matches and championships. He is the current USPSA Carry Optics Colorado State Champion and most recently won 3rd place in Master Class at the 2022 USPSA Carry Optics National Championship.


  1. Chris on March 3, 2017 at 9:01 am

    So here’s my predicament. Always carry all the time right? Well, every single employer I’ve ever worked for has anti weapons policies subject to immediate termination and I’ve worked for a lot of companies in lots if different fields. My current employer we are not allowed to even have weapons on company premises including our vehicles. There is no off site parking option. So for 12 hours out of my day I have no access to a firearm. I drive a public transit bus so even if I had a firearm in my car I would not have access to it till the end of the day. What is one to do in my situation? Especially considering that it’s the situation of most people that carry firearms on a daily basis? Switching jobs is not an option as I have seniority and good pay. Starting over again would be a significant cut in pay.

    • Jacob Paulsen on March 3, 2017 at 9:32 am

      Chris, I wish there was an easy solution to this. Certainly I’ve had jobs where I wasn’t permitted a firearm while at work and/or while doing work for the company, etc. I tend to feel that feeding my family and supporting myself financially is super important and that has to come at the top of a priority list. So, sometimes a sacrifice that has to be made is not having that firearm with us. Below I’m sharing a link to an article I wrote some time ago but here are some other ideas…

      1: Have an alternate means of defense. When I wasn’t allowed a firearm I always had a tactical pen, pocket knife, and at one point some pepper spray. I’m not going fully defenseless anywhere
      2: Establish a strong habit of arming yourself when not at work. The biggest concern I have is that people who can’t carry at work create a habit of not carrying at all.


      • Chris on March 3, 2017 at 9:15 pm

        Thanks for that… Here’s what I currently do…

        1. I’m a 2nd degree black belt in shotokan, non-practicing, got 15 years ago but it’s like riding a bike.
        2. have a expandable baton in my backpack that’s never more than 3′ away from me. Also against policy… (any weapon is, which if you wanted to go down that road could by my hands or a stinking pen for that matter)
        3. carry a minimum of 4 knives at all times (pocket, wallet, neck, multitool). even though these are also against company policy just about every employee has them.
        4. have my EDC flashlight in my other pocket that has the DNA catcher ring on it
        5. run scenarios through my head while driving
        6. know my immediate surroundings very well as I spend 8+ hours a day there so I know what can be used as an improvised weapon.

        I’ve had a few conversations with my boss about this but it’s out of his hands. the board of directors makes the rules and they are a bunch of flaming libtards.

        it’s a delicate balance. I carry many things that could get me disciplined but none as severe as a firearm. Hopefully I won’t need it one day.

        On a side note, when not at work I am always armed. At home, the store, out and about, hiking, etc… I don’t let work screw up that habit.

        • Jacob Paulsen on March 3, 2017 at 9:31 pm

          Chris sounds like you have gone above and beyond. Frankly it’s impressive.

  2. Paul Mills on March 3, 2017 at 2:46 pm

    I understand the employer’s side of weapons on company property. My wife was one of the seven victims of a plant shooting. Man was mad because he did not get a promotion. He shot and killed 3 and wounded 4 in the plant. He was executed for his crime. It cost the employer millions and eventually closed the plant putting several hundred people out of work. Huge liability

    • Dennis on March 3, 2017 at 7:24 pm

      Paul Any GUN FREE ZONE is open to someone bringing a weapon onto the premises. It is sad that anyone who knows they won’t have anybody shooting back is going to kill more people.

  3. me on March 4, 2017 at 11:00 pm

    When I worked for a company that allowed firearms in POV’s on company property (locked away and secured) but but not inside company buildings or in the company vehicle, I carried everyday. My thing is this: I would rather lose my job (and have a good chance of getting another considering my skill set) and still have the ability to protect myself…than be dead. Simple concept. If you follow the procedures you were taught during training, (if you’re carrying without training you’re an idiot!) no one will ever know that you’re carrying unless you tell them.

  4. John on March 5, 2017 at 4:23 pm

    While listening to episodes 100, I couldn’t help but think that Mr. Anthony, though his intentions were well placed, he may have actually put himself on the wrong side of the law as well. Since the BG had removed himself from the scene, he is technically no longer a threat. All points in the episode are well received, but laws differ from state to state, so had the outcome been different. Mr. Anthony could have found himself going to jail as well. We as ccw’ers need to be very mindful of the situations we engage in. To me as the event is told the better decision would be take down the license plate and vehicle description, call 911 and render aid to the victim. I hate to see the good guy suffer or in this case his family.

  5. Jake on March 6, 2017 at 4:31 pm

    Very impactful 100th episode guys. Enjoyed the analysis type podcast. Helpful tips taken from this very unfortunate situation. -Wisconsin CCW’er

  6. CCW Anon on March 13, 2017 at 7:41 am

    My employer has the same prohibition of firearms at work. Concealed means CONCEALED and since there are no metal detectors at the doors, I would rather live to seek another job in the event of an attack than have my wife collect life insurance because I was a victim in a GUN FREE Zone.

  7. BC on February 18, 2018 at 5:41 pm

    I think we all have the same problem with places of employment denying employees the privilege of possessing a gun on the property. In the wrong hands, this could be dangerous and a huge liability. Nevertheless, pro-gun owners need to rise up and pressure our law makers to extend the same courtesy to well trained and licensed standup concealed carriers as off duty officers. We should be able to carry everywhere, and in every state, except in highly sensitive and secure areas. The anti-gun liberals have beat us to the punch in that area, so we have a lot to overcome. If our law makers recognize this discrepancy and legalize a more generally widen leniency in concealed carry, then perhaps our employers will be more accepting to the idea of concealed carry on the premises.

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