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Dear Gun Industry Please Stop Carrying Backwards In Your Small of Back

Sorry Friends in the Industry but this way of carrying and drawing your gun is wrong:

What about the picture is wrong? Well there may or may not be a holster in that picture but the thing I'm focused on is the orientation of the firearm. Many CCWers carry in the “small of back” or traditional IWB 4 o'clock” positions and when you do you may have some confusion about how to orient the gun.

For the purpose of this article and it's pictures we are going to assume everyone is Right-Handed. You south paws will need to reverse everything I say.

What Are The Two Rear Carry Methods?

First let me define the two methods and then we will discuss Pros and Cons of each…

Palm Out / Four Fingers Draw Method

As you can see in the above picture, in the configuration the palm of the hand faces outward. In order to draw the CCWer inserts the 4 fingers of the hand between the gun and the body. For right handed people this requires buying a left handed holster for 4 to 6 o'clock carry.

Palm In / Thumb Draw Method

Small of Back Carry

Proper Draw for small of back carry

As you can see in the above picture, in this configuration the palm of the hand faces inward. In order to draw the CCWer inserts the thumb between the gun and the body. For right handed people this requires using a right handed holster for 4 to 6 o'clock carry.

Is There An Official Stance On This?

I've asked a lot of other professionals over the years if they have an opinion about “Palm in” or “Palm out” carry for small of back position and the answer has varied. Some look at it as personal preference and others feel more strongly about it as I do. Everyone however agrees that carrying the firearm one way or the other comes with some advantages and disadvantages.

No professional has ever endorsed the “Palm Out” carry as preferred or better but as far as I know however, I'm the first person to come out online as officially calling it WRONG. I did find a mention of the pros/cons on the N82 Tactical site and a video from White Hat Holsters YT channel suggesting Palm In as preferred but I'm going to get up on my soap box here.

I'm confident that if there are professionals out there who disagree they will identify themselves as such in the comments below.

So What Is the Big Problem With Palm Out Carry/Draw?

There are a lot of reasons why I feel Palm Out carry is wrong or significantly less desirable. Lets get started:

1: Strength of Body:

Have someone stand next to you on your strong side. Now put your hand in the back of your waistband in the palm out position. Have your partner put pressure against your elbow and see how easily you can “draw” your imaginary gun out. Now repeat the same experiment with palm in. You will find that when the wrist is twisted so as to have the THUMB between the gun and the body you will have much greater strength. How big of a deal is this in a draw? Probably not a big deal but on the off chance to have any resistance that you have to fight you would want to maximize your ability to overcome that resistance.

2: Safety of Muzzle Direction:

When you draw with your palm out you are forced at some point to turn the wrist in order to position the firearm on target. In that turning movement you are very likely to sweep the body with the muzzle of the gun. Not muzzling yourself is in fact difficult.

3: Speed:

When you carry palm in you will be able to get the gun on target faster because there is less total movement required to position the gun on target. In getting to the full extension faster you will also more naturally “pass through” a close quarter combative shooting position more naturally should you need to get shots on target before extending to target or in circumstances where you can not/should not extend fully to target.

4: Adjustment and Convenience of Holster:

Holster manufacturers consider all of these things in a design. Since they want you to be able to buy 1 holster and use it ANYWHERE on your torso they design a right handed holster to work for a right-handed person regardless of the position on the body. All manufacturers design them this way. If you carry palm out and end up having to buy a left-handed holster despite being right-handed then that holster will NOT work for you on the strong side or in the appendix or cross draw positions should you decide to carry in those positions one day.

In addition, in the small of the back configuration, it is all the more valuable to have a forward cant/angle in the holster. Holster manufacturers either make holsters with a forward cant or a straight vertical cant. If you use the Palm Out method you will have a very hard time finding a holster that comes in reverse cant which puts you at a disadvantage over those who use a Palm In draw and have a nice forward cant to work with.

5: Finger Trigger Discipline & Grip Acquisition:

If you draw your firearm by driving four fingers in between the body and the gun you have two significant drawbacks. First, it will be harder to maintain good trigger finger discipline. As you try to acquire a strong grip three fingers are trying to get under the grip of the gun and the trigger finger is smashed in a tight space. Indexing the finger properly is challenging and can be made even more challenging depending on the style of the holster and how much of a “sweat guard” it has above the trigger guard of the firearm. A palm in draw allows that the finger remain outside of the pant entirely and makes it easier to train the finger to align with the side of the frame of the firearm above the trigger guard.

Speaking of getting a grip on the gun, any good shooter knows how important an immediate and solid grip on the firearm is in the moment you draw from the holster. When you draw palm in only the thumb has to squeeze in between the gun and the body and it naturally goes EXACTLY where it is supposed to be in a solid grip. The trigger finger aligns on the outside and rests on the frame as discussed above. The other three fingers naturally find their spot on the outside of the grip and have to wrap around the front of the grip in a natural way. In Palm out configuration, those three fingers are stuck in between the body and the gun and can't wrap at all until the full grip of the gun clears the waistline and holster. Long story short you will get a more solid grip faster with a Palm In draw.

So If It Is So Horrible Why Is it So Popular?

Because it feels more natural. A Palm In draw requires more torque on the shoulder and wrist. Without being told otherwise a Palm In draw just feels awkward and uncomfortable. For that reason, every actor ever in Hollywood TV shows and movies has used a Palm Out carry. It looks cool, it feels natural, and somewhere in our brain we've been trained to do what we've seen.

I admit that when I bought my very first concealed carry holster I too bought a left-handed one despite being right-handed. I stared at the pictures on the computer screen and said to myself… I must be missing something because the way I think I'm supposed to carry in my back would require I get a left-handed holster. So I did. It took me years of carrying that way before another instructor took me aside and showed me a large number of reasons why that configuration is NOT ideal. So I changed.

Here is a series of Stock Images I've found that all show the Palm Out draw… and note that in almost all of them there is no holster at all and in many cases the trigger finger finds itself in the trigger guard very prematurely. This only proves that stock photographers don't know much about the proper draw but are naturally inclined to do what they have seen on TV.

Sadly I've seen some of these very photos used on gun media websites that want to promote safe and good gun handling.

Ok, so I know I've probably ruffled some feathers and maybe it was going too far for me to call the Palm Out method “wrong” but obviously, I feel strongly about it. Comment below to share your thoughts. What did I miss? What are other important considerations in favor or against Palm Out carry?

All this talk about holsters reminded me of an article we wrote up on the best 21 holsters on the market. Check it out.

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44 Responses to Dear Gun Industry Please Stop Carrying Backwards In Your Small of Back

  1. tchris February 16, 2018 at 4:46 pm #

    While I believe that many of these points are valid some of them like the trigger discipline has never been a problem I have had with a palm out draw. I also don’t feel that my muzzle ends up pointed at my body any more than it would with a palm in draw. I do wonder about the stronger draw vs. weaker but have yet to experiment. I will agree there is less movement in the palm in draw. Great point in this article I will look at. I was not offended by any of this but will have to disagree on the wording as wrong.
    Here is why it is just like picking the gun to use as your concealed carry. Big caliber? Small caliber? Large capacity, more shots? Small capacity, easier to hide. Each question comes down to you! What gun can you carry that makes it so you can defend yourself best? It may be a .22 that you can use so will that you can put a group of 5 rounds in a quarter size area. It may be the .45 that stops a person much more with on shot. You have to find what works for you.
    Having said all that I think I would say that palm in is a safer way to carry at the small of the back but i can’t agree on it being wrong.

    • Jacob Paulsen February 16, 2018 at 4:49 pm #

      Thank you for your thoughts!

  2. N. Pratt June 11, 2018 at 1:36 pm #

    I agree with you on all points and have been saying this for the past 5 years or more!
    Excellent write up!

    • Bundyman1 June 6, 2020 at 9:25 am #

      I agree with many of the points you made and this has seriously made me rethink my palm-out draw as a right-hander. I will probably carry one appendix and the other cross-draw now. Hope I’m not printing! Haha. Thanks for a well-written and very informative article. Carry on and carry safe!

  3. Jimmy June 11, 2018 at 5:07 pm #

    It also came from the old days of carrying a 911/45acp on 1/2 cock. As you twisted the gun, you would pull the hammer back.

  4. Fred Todd June 11, 2018 at 6:31 pm #

    The statement that all TV and movie actors ever use (d) the palm out, is not entirely accurate. On NCIS:New Orleans, Special Agent Pride portrayed by Scott Bakula does carry MOB palm out.

    • Chris July 5, 2019 at 11:09 pm #

      “The statement that all TV and movie actors ever use (d) the palm out, is not entirely accurate. On NCIS:New Orleans, Special Agent Pride portrayed by Scott Bakula does carry MOB palm out.”

      The statement is all actors carry palm out and Scott Bakula’s character carries palm out, I don’t get your point.

  5. Charles Worley June 11, 2018 at 8:08 pm #

    Jacob, as a holster maker, I have to have this conversation at near once a week with clients. The strength issue is what usually gets them when I ask them how a police officer rotates someone’s arm behind the back to detain them. It’s always taught as a palm out move. The other issue is drawing with one hand. It’s much easier to clear your garments and draw the firearm palm in when your support hands is busy (creating distance, holding a loved one, or injured). I’m sharing this to my page, and will be referring to it regularly!

    • Jacob Paulsen June 11, 2018 at 9:11 pm #

      Charles, thank you for the kind words. This article was born out of those similar conversations we were having with holster buyers. It usually went like this… “I carry small of the back and am right-handed. With X holster should I buy a right or left-handed model?” This article is our new answer to that question.

      • Johann Wilkerson October 24, 2020 at 11:07 pm #

        I never cared about what they do on television, but I prefer palm-out for only one reason – I have a rotator cuff injury and it is extremely painful to bring my arm back behind me with my palm in.
        My draw may be slower and weaker, but it beats being stopped in mid-grasp, grimacing in excruciating pain.

        You do you though.

        • Jared November 27, 2020 at 6:53 pm #


          I was about to write the same thing. I’ve had 2 rotator cuff surgeries and it makes it impossible to draw palm in. I have to carry palm out and I carry at the 5 with barrel canted and have zero issues.

    • Larry March 26, 2020 at 11:42 pm #

      Being in my mid going on late 50’s, i found the torque on my shoulder and wrist awkward/painful for palm in. Side draw would be more preferable but losing the weight for comfortable carry is proving difficult so sob carry Palm out it is. I agree with your perspective though.

  6. David Lazy June 12, 2018 at 7:20 am #

    First, I really enjoyed this article. Lots of good and valid points. On the other hand, when I carried on the back, I carried palm out. Mainly because it felt more natural, and was a shorter reach for the grip. I never took into consideration the “strength” of the draw of either way, but I shall give it some testing. I don’t currently carry on the back because my arms are not as flexible as they once were. With all that said, you might have just changed the way I feel about and will give other advice on how to carry on the back. Thank you, sir.

  7. Brett Hutchison June 12, 2018 at 3:23 pm #

    While I agree with many things you mentioned, I have two issues with your “its wrong” statement. One you show the palm in draw, and talk about 4 o’clock position a lot? But the main pic you use for palm in is 6 o clock, not
    middle of the back??? Your “in” draw position is between the pocket and the middle of the back, which is the “small of the back. If you actually carry “small of the back” the gun placed butt end left for “in” draw is impossible unless you cant the holster and gun far right, and then its no longer in the natural, hidden, and comfortable, small of back position. Second, as a person who carries SOB, much of the time, I have never faced a “classic” faster draw situation, with a need to clear, or torque quickly to draw. The position you show is my normal “side carry”, usually with an OWB holster, and it is right handed and natural, as well as quick? The real position for SOB, is middle of the lower back, between your major muscle…or fat groups at the waist. And I can assure you that in that position palm in is very difficult, and requires upward movements, twisting movements, and, rolling and swinging movement, and a lot of flexibility to even try, AND you always cross some body part. The other grid of gun pics you showed are commercial, and I would not call many of them “carry” positions at all, more like “TV” prop shots! LOL. I get your point, but I dont agree with the definitions here.

  8. Northern_Michigan June 18, 2018 at 8:55 am #

    The article has some good info and points, but it’s hard to call anything “wrong” unless it’s blatantly unsafe. I will say that like everything else, people have different anatomy, and not everything will work for everyone. I prefer small of back carry because I have large glutes and there is a very comfortable pocket to carry in there. What I notice is this, when I carry palm in (actually SOB, not 5 or 4:30 or some such) I am required to chicken wing my shoulder up AND max my wrist flexion down to draw properly. That’s two joints moving to nearly their maximal limits to accomplish draw. My wrist doesn’t mind so much (they are fairly flexible), but my far past torn collar bone with it’s less than optimal flexibility really doesn’t like the shoulder positioning. It’s a very specific position to draw with and there is almost no room for error. Sitting in a chair? It’s not possible unless you can sit forward to twist.

    I agree with all of your points on the drawbacks of the palm out method. It’s more difficult to get a grip. You have to wedge your palm between your weapon and body. However, I can do it without having to sit forward and create space while seated. I can also do it one handed because the webbing of my hand rides my shirt up and out of the way (to my forearm) for access.

    While I think while standing with room, palm in will accomplish a more perfect draw, palm out has higher chance of actually being able to be accomplished if body positioning is randomized.

  9. Mike Hale July 15, 2018 at 2:48 pm #

    Having carried a 1911 , off and on, for the better part of 50 yrs. and tried both methods , I find that palm out is better for me. I understand your POV and admit you have a point, HOWEVER, WRONG really dosen’t belong . People are different, some can’t rotate their hand, some , like me are better and faster with the wrong technique. Be kind. It has served me well for a very long time.

    • Kimber April 22, 2020 at 8:45 pm #

      I agree — Palm Out — has served me well for 30+ yrs. Not everyone is as limber or svelte as others. Defensively, its more important to be able to present the gun safely and quickly. If Palm Out is more natural, more comfortable, use it.

  10. joe muniz July 15, 2018 at 3:25 pm #

    The only possible advantage I can see to palm in (maybe?) is perhaps easier off hand drawing. But if that’s a consideration, just train to do a palm in draw with your off hand, should your main hand become unavailable/injured.

  11. Tony Hampton October 6, 2018 at 4:55 pm #

    Nice article. I don’t carry but if I did I would be drawn to the palm out carry.
    I will have to think this over. My second choice would be the cross draw.

  12. Forrest Kramer November 3, 2018 at 10:05 am #

    I have carried SOB reverse position for 40 years. While I prefer the comfort of my shoulder holster, I often need the concealment of the inside waist band holster. I have been forced to deploy my firearm on numerous occasions with no ill effects to myself.
    I have also taught sever people to carry this way, including my adult children. I won’t say it’s the fastest draw, i have speed holsters for competition, but for concealment when you can’t wear a heavy cover, it works the best.
    It all boils down to training. If you aren’t trained properly to handle a firearm from the holster to target, there is a good chance you won’t be able to safely in a crises situation.
    Stay safe everyone!

  13. T Brady is December 30, 2018 at 12:56 pm #

    I have a problem carrying in my belt, when I take it from my belt the safety is off. It’s a Rutger LC9s and that’s unacceptable I can’t take a chance with well you no. so I use a holster and it’s a bit bulky. Anyone have a suggestion for belt carry?

  14. Tom Donnell December 30, 2018 at 4:17 pm #

    If you could only send this to TV and movie land, they are the biggest offenders.

  15. michael. czmyr December 30, 2018 at 6:59 pm #

    exactly the way I would carry, palm out.

    • michael. czmyr December 30, 2018 at 7:02 pm #

      sorry, correction, palm in, it can get confusing.

  16. Sue lange January 1, 2019 at 7:19 am #

    Dear gun industry, please stop using photos of people with their finger on the trigger when they clearly are not on target. Palm or palm out, oveelr half your photos depict people who are unsafe. No, it’s not “okay” just because your point isn’t about safety in this instance. We are supposed to be responsible gun owners. Let’s start with setting a better example all the time, every time, no exceptions.

    • Jacob Paulsen January 1, 2019 at 7:33 pm #

      Sue the only pictures above that show a finger on the trigger are those which are used specifically to illustrate unsafe practices. So I think we are on the same page.

  17. John February 6, 2019 at 9:55 pm #

    I agree with most of what was said above. But you missed out on the positive sides of carrying small of the back. I have carried for nigh on 23 years. I have carried small of the back with a palm out draw for 80% of those years. The largest reason IMHO to carry small of the back is tactical. Your pistol remains hidden behind your body until it is coming out and up. Where as virtually no other draw position has that advantage. With practice the small of the back carry has far less what I like to call “flourishing”. My shoulders stay very even and my arms do not have to be exaggerated in movement to draw my pistol. In other words my body language does not communicate that I am drawing my weapon. I believe hip carry, palm in, and even appendix carry are probably faster at shuckiing iron than SOTB, but you telegraph that you are drawing a pistol in all these other draws and that could be a good thing if the person in question might run away, but tactically it is an error.

    That said I would like to address printing. Tactically speaking there is no way to carry a full size pistol, in shorts and a tshirt, with out it being anywhere but small of the back and have it not be noticed by any even mildly trained eye. SOTB is not perfect under these circumstances either, but much better then hip carry. Changing the size of your gun becomes your only option. Body size and build aside.

    Now that it is hard to find a proper small of the back style holster in part due to people exclaiming the negatives of the style of carry as well as to people insinuating it might be irresponsible, negligent, dangerous, or even wrong. It makes it harder to carry SOTB properly without a proper holster. I can afford good leather, and over the years I have developed a relationship with a good tanner to keep me in properly designed leather.

    Now mechanically speaking. Training, training, training. Driving a car is dangerous without practice. Pulling a gun without practice is as well. But purely speaking mechanics of bones and muscle the palm out small of the back draw is the only way to properly align you forearm, and wrist angle to properly grip your pistol on draw, except for appendix carry. As your gun hand moves closer to the hips your wrist bends which causes misalignment with the grip. Drawing from the stomach or back are the only way your forearm and wrist align immediately and mechanically to correctly grip the pistol. Unless of course you wear baggy pants and have your gun attached to a holster on a belt closer to your low hip.

    Some of your points are arguably not valid. But damage to your back is valid. I have not fallen on my gun, but I can envision such a scenario happening. And damage might be done. That being said I am not trying to argue the negatives with anybody. But the positives you might have missed.

    Lastly, this has to do with printing, a gun in the small of the back has a huge advantage. They can’t see it, so they can’t take it. And trying to grab my weapon from any angle but from directly behind me would leave my attacker in a much more difficult position to take my weapon. Most people who openly carry are trained extensively in how to thwart the theft of there firearm. Carrying smaller firearms on the hip helps to reduce printing, but to me it is still obvious, especially when walking. But a gun in the small of your back IMHO is harder to take then one from any other carry position.

    Showing trigger fingers on triggers from battery position is bad. .45 is the only pistol defense caliber worthy of carrying. And glocks are not good for me are a couple of other things I believe as well. There are a few more, but it would be contrary and argumentative.

  18. MC May 7, 2019 at 8:26 am #

    One thing maybe not mentioned is the difference between 6 o’clock carry position and a more 5-3:30 o’clock position.
    I think a lot of guys believe the true middle of the back 6 o’clock position is harder to get to with a palm-in move, and easier to reach with a palm-out move. Try it. Reach behind your back palm-out and you can likely get all the way over to your opposite hip. Reach behind your back with a palm in move and you are lucky to get very far past the middle of the back before your shoulder aches and you have to stop. It just seems quicker and easier to get to 6 o’clock palm-out.
    Everything you said about strength of the position is totally true. Although I would maybe like to carry at 6 o’clock, I carry at about 4 o’clock just because I like the feel of a palm-in draw, and just can’t do it at the 6 o’clock position,even with a left-hand holster with reverse cant.
    Great article.

  19. Dave. May 14, 2019 at 4:30 pm #

    where can i find a palm out

    • Jacob Paulsen May 15, 2019 at 12:33 pm #

      If you mean a palm out holster… then read above for clarity.

  20. Howard June 8, 2019 at 12:22 pm #

    Yeah think it comes down personal preference. I don’t feel comfortable one in the chamber and appendix carry. Never have. So I choose the small of my back. I don’t like anyone knowing that I carry. I rather have the extra hurdles of carrying the small of my back than appendix carry. I’m comfortable with that decision during the hot months. Cool jacket months I’m all outside the wasteband carry.

    • Matthew Maruster June 12, 2019 at 9:22 am #

      Howard, Some things are personal preference, however, this is a topic that is more of a best practice vs. not so good practice. For all the reasons mentioned in the article, carrying SOB has many drawbacks, and carrying backward in SOB adds even more problems.

  21. Bill July 10, 2019 at 10:24 pm #

    Did anyone notice the last picture is of a Walther CP99? In other words a BB gun?

  22. Robert K Williams August 12, 2019 at 3:05 pm #

    Thanks for the analysis. IWB real estate has become scarce in my later years, hence I find myself turning to SOB carry. I appreciate your analysis and agree with your points. I’m going to purchase an inexpensive RH holster and carry palm in for awhile and see how that feels. I appreciate your thoughts.

  23. Jeff September 25, 2019 at 10:43 am #

    Thank you for the article. I especially like the part about strength/weakness palm-in/palm-out. I also didn’t like that you are speaking of 4oclock exclusivity and not 6oclock. I carry Palm out, 6oclock… I’m a little chubby so 4oclock has never worked for me. Also, I’m right handed and I’ve had my right shoulder rebuilt 3 times, surgery, so Palm in draw is impossible for me. My shoulder no longer rotates like that..
    Thank for the article

  24. Justin January 25, 2020 at 1:59 pm #

    Hello, This is a fun and debatable topic, I get the points. But it’s debatable depending on the reasons and issues that vary per person.

    Like some comments, I’m the same way, Palm out 6 o’clock, due to shoulder injuries. I can not do palm in if I wanted to without causing pain or looking like a idiot trying to get to it, due to my poor shoulder rotation. Now I can easily draw with my left, palm in, if needed to. So I made sure my carry also has a ambidextrous safety. Having a bad dominate arm, you learn to use your other arm more often when you least expect it to flare up or stiffen up.

    So why not appendix then? Because I like fitted clothing, it’s to uncomfortable in the front, to tight, impossible when sitting with fitted clothing without having to remove it from holster and now it’s a pocket carry. Plus I don’t want to buy loose pants or buy 1-2 sizes larger just to make it fit better.
    SOB palm out is the best choice for me, besides open carry.

    Other thoughts: size does matter. If you carry a full size carry, I can see you will run into some of the suggested issues. My main carry is a micro 1911. I have little issues. Rule 1: if you get a carry – practice-practice-practice. So no matter which way you carry it, if you Practice with it, get comfortable with your firearm and treat it like you would a family member, you can make it efficient regardless of how you carry it. Plus Know what you are wearing and how to wear certain clothing as well, with any carry. When done right with proper training and practice a SOB is a efficient carry position.

    If you carry it in a new position, that’s different. It will be uncomfortable, slow draw and awkward. Until you practice with it. If you go from appendix to sob, yah I can see the disputes easily. My friends are like that, appendix only, but they are not me or have my issues to justify SOB carry either. To them it feels weird and not the right way for them.

    That’s my 2 cents 🙂

  25. don johnson January 28, 2020 at 2:33 pm #

    stand in front of mirror and draw both ways palm in and palm out . Which one is less obvious you are drawing a gun? Do the same while seat belted in your car.

  26. Scott LaFrance May 14, 2020 at 9:44 am #

    I much actually prefer the “Palm Out” carry. It is the most natural for me, it is faster (for me) I can draw this way while standing, sitting, or laying down without excessive strain on my wrist or elbow. So while I appreciate your opinion that it is wrong…I’d have to submit that it is wrong FOR YOU…not anyone else.

    • Matthew Maruster May 17, 2020 at 2:40 pm #

      Scott, regardless of which way your palm faces when you draw the gun, carrying small of the back is bad for a whole host of reasons. Between the two, a palm out draw makes it all but impossible to draw the gun consistently, quickly and effectively without muzzling yourself or someone else during the draw. A palm in draw stroke isn’t much better at mitigating this issue, but it is better. This is why most instructors (and ranges in general) won’t allow students to carry SOB in their classes. For so many reasons it is just a terrible way to carry a gun. I understand drawing SOB puts pressure on your wrist and elbow because. You’re not the exception, because SOB a poor place to draw a gun from. Instead of fixing the issue by flipping the gun around, seriously consider working towards carrying the gun in a method that isn’t inherently terrible like SOB. This is advice to help you get better, which is what our goal is. Why settle for good when there are much better options available?

  27. Michael Lawhon July 21, 2020 at 1:20 am #

    Having had a full-thickness tear of my right (strong side) rotator cuff, and subsequent surgical repair including a titanium pin to secure the tendon to the bone, my range of motion is limited. There is no way that I can rotate my shoulder enough for a palm-in draw of a middle or small of back holster location, therefore it’s a palm-out draw for me.

  28. David F July 23, 2020 at 12:37 pm #

    One thing that you fail to mention in every example photo you have posted there is no holster, also they are all carrying at 6 o’clock. Carrying cavalry style is a very easy and convenient way to carry a pistol when you don’t have a holster handy or ready and you need to have a gun on you now. Also cavalry style carry is now generally done at 6 o’clock, allowing for a deeper concealment of the gun, while being more comfortable when seated. Try drawing palm in from 6 o’clock, unless you are wearing a dedicated extreme cant SOB holster, it’s going to be extremely uncomfortable. Also I think you said it best. “Why Is it So Popular? Because it feels more natural. A Palm In draw requires more torque on the shoulder and wrist. Without being told otherwise a Palm In draw just feels awkward and uncomfortable.” (No matter what you’re told, drawing palm in from 6 o’clock is awkward and uncomfortable if not impossible for some.) Plus lets not forget Wild Bill Hickok seemed to do quite well carrying his Colt 1851 Navy revolvers tucked in his belt butt forward.

  29. Jonathan July 31, 2020 at 4:24 am #

    I’ve had SOB holster for 20 years that was designed for palm in carry. I just bought a compact 45 and a new holster that is ambidextrous and can be carried on the hip and palm in and palm out in the small of the back. I was considering changing to palm out for the very reason you stated, it feels more natural. However, after reading your article and rehearsing the mechanics of this draw I will continue to carry palm in. It may not feel natural but the draw is much smoother and shorter since the barrel doesn’t have to clear my side to aim. Thanks for helping me evaluate the various SOB carry configurations.

  30. Georges September 11, 2020 at 2:38 pm #

    I carry so many different ways. I like them all for different reasons. Whenever I did carry palm out, it was like 5ish. Being right handed with a left hand holster, I’d always step forward with the left leg or step back with the right leg to draw which seemingly makes all the awkwardness of it go away to me. I don’t do it as much due to discomfort when sitting, but I do find it fun to draw bladed like that sometimes lol maybe it was the movies. Palm in a little past 3 o clock is my main Jane.

  31. Ed October 7, 2020 at 7:15 pm #

    Many valid points. However, you left out an advantage to palm-out draw. Many times, especially these days, you may find yourself in an unsettling position but which does not quite justify brandishing a weapon. Some states, like Michigan, regard a gesture that communicates possession of a weapon in a manner that convey’s a threat the crime of “brandishing.” Reaching palm-in more or less telegraphs what you’re doing and thinking, so unless circumstances justify brandishing, it may be unwise to assume a position with your hand on your weapon, ready to draw. However, with a palm-out approach, being more natural and less obvious, it may be possible to place your hand near or on your weapon without telegraphing that you are ready to that degree. That, to my mind, is a significant consideration to both palm-in and pocket carry.

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