What’s In HR 127? Nothing Good
Old photo of congress from 2018.
Well folks, a few weeks ago we announced that several new gun control bills were added to the mix. You can find that article here, but this one deals with one of those bills more specifically because we're now seeing what is in HR 127.
Back in the start of January, the bills didn't yet have any text so we couldn't really see what was in them. That has changed, at least with HR 127, and this thing is atrocious and should make your hair stand on end.
This is not good, my friends. Let's take a gander at it, together. But before that, I wanted to UPDATE you on a speech President Biden gave on April 8th, 2021 where he provided his gun control wish list to the people.
Before we do, let me just say that I'm not trying to scare you, and this is in its infancy stages right now.
Firearm registration:
The bill states that the AG, by way of the ATF, will make a system for licensing the possession of guns and ammunition so that we can register each gun with the ATF.
They want each gun owner to give the ATF the following information:
- Make
- Model
- Serial Number
- Owner's identity
- Date acquired
- Where it's stored
- Identity of anyone who it's loaned to
They want this info three months after the effective date of the bill if you owned the gun before the bill went into effect. For each gun you buy after the bill goes into effect, the info will be needed the day of purchase.
Database:
What good is a firearms registration without a database, which is also in the bill. The AG will establish and maintain a database of ALL registered firearms.
That database will be made accessible to all members of the public, all federal, state, and local law enforcement, all branches of the military, and all state and local governments.
Gun license:
The AG will issue a gun owner license to possess a gun and ammo. The licensee will be at least 21 years of age, and complete the following —
- Criminal background check
- Psychological eval
- Complete a training course that is at least 24 hours long
- Be insured
Your license will be denied or revoked if you are found to be psychologically unfit for any number of reasons.
License suspension:
After granted, your gun license may be suspended if you don't follow the rules. If you don't have the firearm insurance the AG has the right to suspend your gun license. And if your license is suspended you have to return it and surrender all guns and ammo.
License renewal:
In order to renew your license you must continue to jump through hoops. The AG will renew a license if requested by a certain period of time and as long as you've gone through at lest eight hours of training.
Firearm insurance:
This part doesn't make a lot of sense to me in that I'm not sure who is giving the insurance out, but it seems like it's the Attorney General — who I wasn't aware issued insurance policies. I could be wrong on this.
Also interesting is that the insurance costs $800. I'm unaware if it's per gun or total. And to be honest, I wouldn't put anything past these idiots at this point.
Military style weapons:
Of course the bill goes further into depth on all the guns they think are “military style” and has all of the usual suspects on it. It also does a good job of making sure many of the loopholes are also covered, like how adding certain accessories magically turn your firearm into a “military” death ray machine gun thingamabob.
I won't go into all the details here, but you can read the bill in its entirety on the congress.gov website.
Jail time:
If you violate certain terms of this BS they're putting forth you can serve between 1 and 40 years in prison, as well as owing as much as $150,000 depending on what you violated.
Other prohibitions:
Certain types of ammunition, like those of 50 caliber or bigger and the “large capacity” magazines will also make you a bad person if this garbage passes.
By “large capacity” magazine, they mean any magazine, belt, drum, or anything else that can be converted to accept more than 10 rounds of ammo.
Conclusion and thoughts:
This bill is a train wreck meant to do one thing: Dismantle our Second Amendment rights. However bold this is, I believe it to be too radical for them to pass all of this stuff at once even for some of the other anti-gun politicians.
Don't get me wrong, they will be doing something, but I'm not sure this is it. I hope not because nothing good can come from it.
At the end of the day, this shows us the direction they want to move in and what the ultimate goal is. They're basically saying: you need to do this, this, and this and if you don't, you get thrown in jail and lose your “rights.”
They will take your guns from you, and I've always said that's the final goal.
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The moment of truth is here. Either we stand our ground or give up our rights set forth in the constitution. The democrats have pushed all citizens that have constitutional rights against a wall. I see nothing equitable in this endeaver except enslavement in the near future. Thus my anology is prepare for civil war.
I agree
I agree
No way! Open warfare is antiquated. You will die a martyr with nothing to show for your sacrifice.
Every other nation on earth is waging digital warfare – and autonomous warfare is next. You patriots won’t last a minute under a drone swarm, and believe me, from experience i know damn well how fast the military could mobilize one if they needed to.
Friends, its okay to be angry but open warfare will just make orphans numerous and undertakers rich. Let the government flail about with their petty laws, they will never have any of this information from me regardless of what the law is.
-a concerned veteran
Your a sad excuse for a “veteran”
Sorry you don’t understand the nature of warfare. Drones can be stopped with an emp all day and other countermeasures. They are not as effective as you think. Plus over a 100 million gun owners is too much for then.
Thry would have to coordinate a drone swarm across the nation. They don’t have the infrastructure to accomplish this. And guess what. They never will. Plus the military itself would revolt before that ever comes to pass. They can’t afford anyone to desert and take any equipment with them. Plus their troops are committed overseas. Same for the UN.
Even a million people acting in a series of coordinated moves would bring them to their knees. Their counter measures in DC are matchsticks in the wind just compared to the militia numbers outside of DC IN VIRGINIA and Maryland alone. You are a deep state actor obviously. If we rise up together. ITS OVER.
Then what you are suggesting is to just let them enslave us. Do nothing. Just give up our freedom. Freedom is not cheap. What makes you think our military will kill its own people ?
Saving ammo every week cause I believe the elections were rigged and Democrats are trying to strong arm Republican officials with the power they have gained. They don’t seem to want unity but a dictatorship
Agreed, We as American citizens MUST claim our second amendment rights and refuse to give any information. This administration ignored the law in order to get into office, they are an illegitimated Governance. None of their laws have legal standing.
Digital warfare is a front line phase one measure. When physical actions are taken by any party in a conflict it can only be addressed by physical means no matter how uncomfortable or inconvenient.
The illigetimate, corrupt, and satanic government can’t incarcerate an entire or even near half of the population, Step one, all or near all who oppose any such measure should and must ignore the edicts of such a government. Step two, fight with any and all means of pressed.
As a veteran you swore an oath to defend the constitution or did you just sign up to get a pension from the government?
2nd Amendment states shall not EVER be infringed. When this right falls so will all the bill of rights. Everyone has the right to self defense it’s a natural law. Start messing with a mother bears cubs and see what happens. When you take away this right we will be defenseless against thugs and criminals.
America – 84 year old walking down street bum rushed by 19 year old punk knocked over and died days later in hospital.
The real criminals, open borders, hiding Bi-den friends in the BLM and Antifa, MS-13 gangs. Will easily have access to guns you can depend on it.
Australians have no gun rights – Girl waiting for subway hit over the head with pipe then raped then finally knocked unconscious then lit on fire left to die.
If they only had a gun and the knowledge of how to defend themselves. But people sworn to protect us and our constitution are too busy collecting checks to help.
Ryan, you are right. Never prepare for a historical struggle, prepare for future ones. A physical struggle will doom the country. Lone wolf attacks will justify a police state. It was a big mistake to let our diplomatic skills slip and antagonize unstable people (the far left). If this passes it is better for those in liberal states to stay off lists. People will turn in 100m weapons. But an armed populace is a mindset and determined people will use other means. Such a bill will only highlight the need for arms in the first place and will lead to an enforcement mess if even 10% resist. But for our union to survive, better to talk with our enemies and treat them like people. Listen to them. Ask them to consider alternatives. The far left is born of hatred and now that Trump is gone, with nobody to hate, they will devour their own. We are all closer on the core issues than the haters would have us believe.
Gee. If our founding fathers (and mother’s) had adopted your warped mindset we would be British servants today!!!
Modernized warfare and gorilla warfare.
I say gorilla warfare is the best way to go.
We have this line that no govt admin can cross with their bills and that is our U.S. Constitution. That’s the line that’s been in effect since 1789. They destroy any of our 1st 10 Amendments, they destroy our Bill of Rights, our rights!
The marxists are in collusion with corporations to create a Oligarchy Fascist State for America, replacing our U.S. Constitution. It’s happening right now, replacing Equality with Equity which is all about equal outcomes on everything . Elitists will make slaves of us all under that system. Always does.
Exactly…they want martyrs….they want us to march without even a clear idea of who exactly is our enemy. I look at my neighbors….we may not have voted the same way, but they are gun owners too. Watching the digital war as an observer? Scary. People are following people they have no idea who they are. Who is going to make the plan to rise up. We have decided to get to know who our local enforcement is. Checking into our own pasts to see if there is a loop hole we may fall into. Kind of figuring out who can own the guns. Lol it is looking like me….Grandma.
You call yourself a Veteran yet your actions are more like a traitor. You should be ashamed of yourself. I would never salute you.
Why do you suppose they want to take away to defend ourselves ? It’s because they intend to do things they know will cause freedom loving americans to stand up and fight ….taking our guns is only the first logical step to stripping all other rights and freedoms our soldiers have died to protect ….how the hell did these people get into power !?!?
Oh yeah,.they stole it from a sleeping politically correct population ….god I hope Q is real!!
Ryan,
I agree with you. This is not Constitutional and would not pass Supreme Court muster, but it will provoke hot heads into giving them another January 6 event, which only served the Progressive Left. And be clear, if we keep our heads cool, they will find a way to ignite this fight. With the hundred percent collusion of the media, they can just make stuff up.
Everything about the so-called Insurrection stinks like rotten fish, but some Trump supporters were caught up in the hype of the Antifa ring-leaders posing as Trumpers. We know Trump supporters don’t go to rallies armed with scary black rifles, but the ringleaders did so. In addition, they used skateboards and helmets to do violence-an Antifa trademark. Also, that was the first Trump rally where Antifa were not protesting them. They blended in and were heard conspiring to do violence.
The Left/Media has figured out how to produce the narrative they need in order to marginalize and dismiss us. At the same time, they fear us and our refusal to remain silent.
Thanks to the lying media, they have boxed us into a paradox where we either remain peaceful and lose our freedoms or act up and lose our freedoms. This is not a time for three stooges brandishing and menacing with guns. It is the time for cool heads and strategic thinking outside the paradox.
If any of you remember the first two years of Clinton in the nineties, the media was constantly promoting fear and feigning terror of the right thanks to the actions of Timothy McVeigh. Every fundamentalist Christian church and gun rights groups were branded with the feared militia label, even though all citizens are the militia.
Keep in mind, the Left sent plastic pipe bombs to themselves through the mail wired with 12-hour kitchen timers right before the midterm election. Not express mail, just regular parcel. Once it served them, they dropped the story. Were it real, they would have milked that like the so-called Insurrection.
Think outside the paradox.
You called it Ryan. It’s like wearing ketchup gloves to put on your wedding dress. Wrong tool. Bad idea.
All this marching on Washington talk online is exactly why they are talking about passing this bill. It’s a self fulfilling prophecy, that you Old Schoolers have initiated. For Christ sakes, they are reading this message as we speak.
Ryan if warfare was to break out with civil war, with we the people protecting there rights against our government, you think our military would attack there own trying to up hold our constitution. I think the military would stand down. I might not be a veteran, but I am for my country and all American rights
Ryan, did anyone thank you for your service here or were you just basically eviscerated for sharing a proper warning from your experience? I and my family are deeply grateful for your willingness to serve!
Also, a great number of responders seemed to have missed your overall point here. I didn’t see you state that we should stand down like cowards at all. Rather, you are saying we need to be smart and respond with cool heads.
Also, I didn’t notice any comment suggesting that there was even a single person that understood what you were talking about with a “drone swarm”. This swarm technology is real and inexpensive. Guns are a useless defense against them, EMPs can only take out one attack wave at a time and I am not even certain a military is required to operate them. They are scary.
Yes, we need to defend our rights–not the least of which would be Amendment #2. But let’s be smart about what is going on here. HR 127 is an extreme proposal that is unlikely to pass as presented. But what is the real danger here? It is the net result of the proposal itself. This is how they take our rights away one step at a time. The elitists propose extreme ideas for law, then we resist saying that it is preposterous and they “capitulate” to settle for less. But who is really capitulating? That would be us because we hyperfocus on their ridiculous ideas and when the dust settles, we are more accepting of what it is they wanted all along: small steps in the form of seemingly harmless laws that erode our rights just a little bit at a time. (How do you boil a live frog??)
Humanity–not just Americans–needs to wake up and work together here in order for us to be worthy of our freedoms. Happily, I believe many are waking up now. But we need more. Let’s work together with cool heads. And let’s stop using past, antiquated warfare as a standard by which we might be able to recognize the wars being fought today. We need, first and foremost, to open our minds.
I think they should just go with a federal permit all state’s follow the same law an permit holder can carry in all state’s an doing this law your talking about still will not stop people from getting them the wrong way and letting every one know you have guns they know where to go to steal them
did wake up in Russia?
Be Dammed if I will give them up. Come and get them
As a Wall Street Guns & Ammunition analyst for 34 years the CGA Civilian Gun Arsenal is estimated at 588,000,000 pistols, revolvers, rifles and shotguns which was 100,000,000 at Pearl Harbor1941 and 260,000,000 at 9/11. The Small Arms Survey (Switzerland), FBI NICS, BATF and Sheriff Association or Police Chief Association all provide estimates we use. The 94-98,000,000 U.S. gun owners added 7,000,000 alone in 2020 with gun domestic builds at 15,000,000 and imports at 6-7,000,000 vs a total 3-6,000,000 total unit demand 1946-2001 per year.
• The National Gun Registry with the BATF is fantasy nobody will bother with compliance as learned in 2020 in Virginia when 88/92 County Sheriffs declared Sanctuary Gun County status against Ralph Northam Governor.
• Owners of magazines > 10 rounds are immediate felons? What Island of Dr Moreau or Shang-Gri-La will incarcerate 30% of population?
• $800 per year insurance is unconstitutional and gun fees will only drive black market commerce as the heroin or opioid crisis attests.
• The U.S. consumer Civilian Gun Arsenal is 200% of the 274,000,000 guns of all the global police and military of the 174 nations tracked by CIA.
• This radical and lunatic confiscation and seizure will spur non-compliance, civil war, infrastructure demolition and political assaults.
• The license, registration and psych evaluation is a queue line nobody will submit to and government fails with the DMV motor vehicle fiasco.
• What Republican or Libertarian would sign on and this only serves to mobilize militias.
• Like Biden the next Republican eliminates anything passed.
• Citizens will not comply with a database that is public for neighbors, family, churches or employers to preview.
The Marxist Communist and Socialist ramrod agenda of Biden/Harris will only provoke the 2nd Civil War or mass infrastructure demolition via the conflict with the U.S. Constitution rights. If Biden wants a Beirut style implosion this is a good start!
I do not believe law enforcement after being “defunded” will take part in this unauthorized gesture to document all gun owners. I don’t think the military will cooperate. This move is nothing more than the current illegal Governance exposing themselves as enemy’s of the people.
I firmly believe our foreign adversaries are foolishly goading us into civil war. Therefore, we must choose not to. We must be firm in our convictions, but refuse to allow harm to come to anyone on US soil. Diplomacy is “warfare” by other means. We created desperate insane enemies willing to ally with satan himself if it meant getting rid of Trump. We threatened those with the keys to power and they have crushed us with a snap of the fingers. Winning is to preserve the USA, freedom, free elections, free markets and free us from cancel culture. We can’t do that by underestimating our adversary (again). Rage, hate, and threats of gun violence will seal our downfall and doom. We overlook great strengths: 1. Trump exposed the enormity of our peril. 2. Trump demonstrated a strong America is still unstoppable. 3. Trump is gone and there is nobody to hate. All we have to do to “win” is to listen to our democrat brethren. Talk to them and find common ground. Chip away at the worst establishment and leave the rest be. With nobody to hate, the far left will vanish. We can avert a socialist train wreck by offering our own utopian vision. A future where basic income and health care are guaranteed, but so is freedom and free markets. We are only limited by our imagination.
Well said
They won’t need to come and get your guns. They will just fine until you are bankrupt.
Bravi my friend
Molon Labe. God bless America, may she and all patriots survive these dark days.
And they’ll need a search warrant supported by probable cause that a crime has been committed and that the item sought will be found at that location. I imagine their ambulance chasing Democratic lawyers will argue that merely not satisfying one part of this BS constitutes a crime.
Ibrox helieve
Owning a gun is a constitutional right. A drivers license is a privilege. Your privilege can be revoked or removed permanently. The constitution protect your rights. Let that sink in. Then what follows the rewritten 2nd amendment freedom of speech. There is culture war upon us along with a civil war. Please be prepared. They are coming for more then just our guns. United we stand
Correction: Owning a gun is NOT a Constitutional right, it is an INALIENABLE, GOD-GIVEN right.
God did not give you the right to own guns, man did. I don’t believe the right to bear arms is in the 10 Commandments or anywhere else in the Bible. Please tell me where you found God saying that in the Bible and I’ll study that passage myself.
Please show us in the Bible where GOD gave you or US the right to carry guns. It is a man made law in the US.
I have always found it interesting that the First Amendment states “Congress shall make no laws….” and yet every entity from Congress to states down to municipalities are subject to absolute rule by it.
And
The Second Amendment states “The right of the people…shall not be infringed.” That is an absolute ban on restrictive laws, and yet it does not apply to any entity and Congress, states and cities make restrictive laws with rare interference. The liberties unions and organizations refuse to acknowledge, let alone defend the Second Amendment.
How and when did this get turned on its head?
Revolution.
What is being stated that God gave us the right to own firearms it doesn’t state that. The constitution was based on Natural Law / Natural Rights. Under these it goes on to state that man is endowed by his creator and goes on to state The Pursuit of Happiness, the freedom to travel anywhere for any reason or no reason. Also covered are the right to own property, and to be free to use the property as he or she sees fit without limitations. The one person stated a drivers license is a privilege, no it’s a right under natural law. Over decades we have surrendered many rights in exchanges for road and traffic control systems, and limits on what one can do on their property has changed so those around are protected from danger and other issues. You will find that all men are created equal by their Creator with certain inalienable rights in the Declaration of Independance, not to far down from the beginning.
10-4 unfortunately!!
In the US there are 400,000,000 legally owned guns and 273,000,000 vehicles on the road. Gun deaths 19,223. Total vehicle deaths 2,533,214 deaths. Bad guys don’t legally purchase guns, the rob and steal.
The new federal legislation to restrict gun ownership is simply a way to take our guns away. How about charging and keeping gun violators locked up.
10-4
The So-called Democratic Party of old is dead and buried We now have Socialists in Congress that are leading our country to communism ergo South America they want to make laws to give Them absolute POWER amending our Constitution and Bill of Rights so the socialists party will have all the powers to control the nation
We must in TWO years remember theses people and vote THEM ALL OUT of office
I agree 200% perhaps renamed the Demonic party, total BS and I really hope the idiots that voted them in get theirs first with big eye openers!
If a man isn’t willing to die for his right, he dosnt deserve them.
Fighting for my homeland and my fellow American is what I took an oath for . 11C
Correct, Monty, but we are living a silent war and the smart thing to do is fight them in the same silent way. We coordinate and remove them one by one silently as they do unto us. The top guys first.
Absolutely. Watch what the Democrats always do when they have all three seats of power. They grab power and shove obnoxious laws down our throats.
The first two years of Clinton -The Brady Law
The first two years of Obama – Obamacare aka the Unaffordable Care Act
Harris (Biden is just cut-out Weekend At Bernie’s) – everything including the kitchen sink if they get our guns.
As long as we are armed, they have to lie, cheat and fool us, but if we are disarmed, they won’t have to do anything more than dictate the nature of our being.
I agree.
We have been following these rules for drivers licenses and every kinds of vehicles. Nobody wants to prevent us from owning or carrying a weapon. It is just a goverment control issue on safety and a way to make more money
“Nobody wants to prevent us from owning or carrying a weapon”
If you believe this then you are not listening to what they SAY.
Driving is not mentioned in the Constitution; firearms are. Specifically.
“Right to free travel”
Not only will they make it where only the rich can afford guns but to where you will pay a hefty price if you don’t go along with it. 800$ insurance that does nothing to keep you out of prison or out of massive fines.
Don’t be a fool. They will start by making the list of requirements almost impossibly detailed to generate widespread noncompliance and forfeiture. And proposals already put forth in CA show that they will almost immediately start adding to the list of things that put one on the list of “mentally unstable” and otherwise prohibited people. This is an obvious move to start the process of widespread prohibition and confiscation.
There’s other things these communists are looking at, for instance if you are taking any medication for anxiety or depression etc. they will be after you in the first wave. I am taking a mild drug to help me sleep for more than a few hours at a time. My doctor had a form he was suppose to fill out and send into obama’s administration and I told the doctor why they want the and he threw the form away. I’m 71 years old and I’ve watched the Clinton ‘s et al slowly and quietly implement/ setup their OVERTHROW of our government for decades. No more baby steps once they illegally put obama in. Next question, why haven’t the Republicans put a stop to this year’s ago? I believe they are all so corrupt we can’t trust any of them.
You really sound insane right now.
Rapid Robert, You are correct. The trend is long and gradual until they gain absolute power. Then they move fast with sweeping grabs of power. They have exposed themselves for what they are many times. If you think this sounds crazy, read Tragedy and Hope by Carol Quigley. He was one of them and Bill Clinton’s mentor. He laid out the entire program in order to discourage us from thinking we have any hope of resisting the usurpation of power and liberty. It’s not made up, it’s laid out.
Also
The one concession we got in the 1968 Gun Control Act was the prohibition of a national gun registration. Gun registration is against federal law and anyone calling for it is in violation of his/her oath if they are a U.S. legislator.
“ Hell yeah we’re coming for your AR-15” who said that? A Democrat
EVERY COUNTRY THAT HAS REQUIRED GUN REGISTRATION LOST THEIR GUNS. THESE COUNTRIES ARE NO LONGER DEMOCRATIC! IT IS A SUCKER BET TO THINK THEY ARE LOOKING OUT FOR YOU COMRADE; WISE UP!
IF YOU DON’T BELIEVE ME, DO SOME RESEARCH.
10-4!!!! This will probably not end well
Funny thing is that the Federal gov’s, which should barely exist, (see the tenth amendment center for info), their only job is to uphold and protect the constitution. This includes speech and the RIGHT, to keep and bear arms, along with all the rest, such as due process. That is why and what the oath is, that they take. Anyone not doing that is a traitor to this country. It has gone far enough.
Rickety Rick. I agree with you 100%. If they take our guns, the only ones that will have guns will be the criminals. No way!!
I Agree, also.
True but this bill was placed before congress on January 4th and sponsored by a texas rep Republicans didn’t all oppose it either nor did all democrats agree they’re pissed , I don’t like it either what about historical stuff from the civil war ? What about the 50 cal pistol and rifle ammunition I was gifted by my deceased uncle along with his collective silver plated engraved desert eagle mind you, that’s never been fired once? I’m not giving those up and why should I be punished for keeping ammunition from antique historical properties to one of my most cherished possessions .
Regulate it all you want. If you are a law abiding citizen you can still buy one. Don’t be a felon gun owners.
Will not comply !
Period, end of story !
I agree Carl. If they want my guns they will have to take them by force, and it ain’t going to be easy.
it’ll be hard to take them because we will be shootin’ at ’em
You gave up all rights and freedoms when you laid down for the fraud.
Democrats are good at one thing: Gun Salesman of the Year
This bill only increases gun and part sales, never fails. Rep. Jackson is an excellent sales rep. manufacturers enjoy!
The Government will never get any of this information from me. And when they come for my 2nd amendment they will have to pry it from my cold died hands. MAGA
You’ll either go to jail or become deceased. They’re not about to play with you. 🤣🤣🤣
It’s time to stand up. As the old saying goes I’d rather die on my feet a free man then live on my knees in chain
Malon Labe!!!!!!
Twice over Nam Vet!
Agree completely. This move combined with their push to purge conservatives from the military, obviously to create a military that is obedient to the leftist agenda, are twin actions that will soon close the ability to live as free Americans forever. It’s either all out action, whatever it takes to stop this, or live as slaves. Simple as that.
you first.
100% Agree! Americans:We need to stand up for our rights! If we don’t, life as we know it will cease to exist! Hitler, Stalin and many others did the exact same thing. Disarm the people and then you can control them! Stop being brain washed by the Socialistic Media! If we lose our 2nd Amendment Rights you can bet on losing ALL THE REST!
Create a pandemic, make everyone wear makes and stay inside- they’re already controlling us- first step. And most of us complied!
Throw us in jail and lose our rights; They are taking away our rights in the name of new laws and are not even throwing us in jail. Soon, the felons will have more rights behind and out of the bars, than we will have as law-abiding citizens.
I have owned hand guns, shot guns and rifles for 55 years. What do you think will happen! On the other hand this will unite the country.
I think the current execurive is eliminating the constitution one amendment at a time. Its disgusting.
Call ycongressman and senator to vote no.
I DON’T AGREE WITH THIS AT ALL I AS A CITIZEN OF THESE UNITED STATES HAVE THE RIGHT TO BEAR ARNS AND WILL FIGHT FIR MY CONSTITUTION RIGHT TO DO SO !!!!!!!!!
FYI, THIS IS AN ACTUAL “CRIME” TO “MAKE OR ENFORCE”!
It’s called “deprivation of rights under color of law” (USC 18-241&242 & 42-1983&1986, etc) if not “treason to the Constitution” to “make or enforce” “any Thing… to the Contrary” when one “reasonably should know”! Such “Colorable Laws” are “in legal contemplation as inoperative as though they had never been passed (US.Supr.Ct, Cohens v. Virginia, Norton v. Shelby)!
To require any sort of “license” or “tax” on any “right” such as “to keep and bear arms” or “free speech” or “free travel” or to “own” “property” such as Land/”real property” and to any “fair exchange” such as payment for labor, are all examples of “deprivation of rights under color of law” which IS an actual “crime” to “make or enforce”!
All Executive and Judicial Officers in the United States, basically all Public Servants with any “authority”, “shall be bound by oath or affirmation to support” and defend “the supreme Law of the Land” “against all enemies, foreign and domestic”, therefore they can be held liable for even “neglect to prevent” “any Thing” they “reasonably should know” IS “to the Contrary” of “the supreme Law of the Land”!
Its about time “We the People of the United States” work TOGETHER more, and put together all the evidence we can, and LETS START PROSECUTING OUR PUBLIC SERVANTS FOR VIOLATING THEIR “DUTY” TO PROTECT OUR EQUAL INDIVIDUAL HUMAN RIGHTS ABOVE ALL, AND STOP LETTING THE “LAWYERS” HAVE CONTROL OVER EVERYTHING!!!
People are depending on those in “Government” to prosecuting others in Govt., instead of doing it themselves, and we’re just allowing corrupt people to take power and abuse the “authority” WE give them, and the “Taxes” and so forth WE give “them”, when WE HAVE THE POWER, IF WE START TO PROSECUTE OUR PUBLIC SERVANTS, “#LIKEaSOVEREIGN”!!!!
First off Biden is not the leader to worry about. The man can barely remember his own name. There is hidden leadership that plops down legislation and he signs. Secnod nothing should be discussed on the internet about strategy or courses of action. An opposing leadership group should be developed and coordinated. Obama took over the internet years ago and they have technology that can track everything we say by time, location, and associations across the internet. Third, all like minded peoples should be guided by one person or one group of people as a coordinated effort to stop what is an attempt to destroy what make our country great. Work on these things and we can get something done. There is no room for failure at this point.
communication? how do we achieve it with big brother everywhere. develop a system and let the willing follow.
Well, aside from the insurance being so high (only a problem for me right now bc my paycheck is so low), it actually doesn’t bother me. We have to register and license a car, take classes to learn how to be safe on the road, pass a test, have a valid drivers license, have insurance in case someone gets injured or something gets damaged, etc. Cars aren’t designed to be lethal but they can be. Guns are designed to be lethal. If you’re a responsible gun owner, you’d pass all the requirements with flying colors anyways, so why worry?
Why worry? It is a protected right by the 2nd Ammendment to not ever be infringed upon by your government. To have a drivers license is a previledge not listed as a protected right. Its the principle as well as your right to own a gun. If this goes, the rest of the constitution will be easy for them to take away. That is why we worry!
Time for a change of leadership
Those f****** in DC work for us and it’s time for us to make a stand before thing get out of hand. They are not going to step on my right to own a firearm in the past countries have taken away people’s rights to have a firearm how did that turn out? It seems like the Constitution does not mean one iota anymore. We need to take back our government just like someone said here recently make America great again and all that we seem so far is being torn down little by little and I’m tired of it!!!
“hell we’re coming for your AR-15” who said that? A Democrat
It won’t pass. There are a lot of democrats who like to hunt. Plus, the bill doesn’t have a co-sponsor. It’s a long shot.
Wow this is scary! Its strange to me that they would have a data base with personal information that is open to the public and further more require a license! Coming from a group of people that were against a license for voting and other things now want it to be mandatory for gun owners that are simply enjoying there 2nd amendment. They have lost their minds!
I noted that owning a firearm before the new idea require no more than 3 months to surrender. If not then it’s a crime. The constitution prohibits ex post facto laws. It’s like catching someone speeding and then ticketing them later after the speed limit was raised. I wish the ex post facto law applied to the morons in Washington
It’s against 2nd amendment and it is just plain stupid. Weapons can never be taken from bad people so we definitely don’t need to take them from good people.
As a pro 2A supporter, Pistol instructor, prior military, and law enforcement; This bill is outright BS. Not throwing a tantrum like the gun grabbers, but in all reality, it is all BS. I personally do not know one department that will enforce this if some or all of it is passed. The infringement on our rights are alone enough to sue the federal government. I believe that every gun owner should take a safety class and know how to safely and effectively manipulate their firearm, however, it doesn’t matter what caliber or style it is. Hell, you can add camo to anything and say it’s “military-style” As an instructor, there is nothing that takes 24 hours to speak on safety of a firearm without repeating yourself far too many times. Responsibility, common sense, clean background and repetition are a sound basis for an individual. I agree that we all need to come together and fight this bill and debunk all myths surrounding it.
I’m only 15 and love hunting and shooting I told my liberal dad how I felt about this and he is fully for taking our rights away I can’t stand by and watch this
Trade your dad in for another one.
Well said
Take away the First Amendment. dismantle the second amendment. What reaction are they looking for?? Obviously the criminals are not going to be lining up to follow these rules!! This is a terrifying bill if it comes to pass and remember, Kamala said that she would give congress one hundred days to come up with a bill or she would do a executive order!! Well, here we are.
I guess I will become a criminal! Since when can the vice president write and sign an executive order? Oh wait, she already is the acting president. The real one is just a puppet.
I would like to know what SOB came up with this. How to fight this crap.
Our forefathers tried to protect us from government.
Wow! This is a slippery slope and history has shown what leads down that slope. What’s next ” you dont need guns because your government will protect you”. I say to that. NUTS!!
I can see the wheels turning in the twisted machinery today’s Democrats call their minds: “we knowultra-draconian legislation such as this will be the immediate cause of massive civil violence.
“PERFECT”!!
“Once the ‘little people’s react we can unleash our storm troopers, and terrorize the population into total surrender,
“We will then OWN them.”
Twisted & truly sick.
The most important thing is to get organized and be loyal to the group by always sticking together. We are Patriots just like those of 1775. We have to be ready to face the fact that these Marxist are coming for our 2a rights and we have to fight. Be prepared for the worst, be prepared to be fired on but also be prepared to back each other up. We need to start planning now and be ready. We all need to be loyal and know who the spies and Liars and informants are in our presence. These Marxist have been planning this along with the total destruction on the constitution since the last commie days of Obama. I never thought they would prepare to fire on the American public but we’ve never had anyone like the low life, spineless Biden and the Kamel. Look what they’ve done in DC with the guard and their fences to keep we the people out of our own capitol. They stole the last presidential election and who knows how many others they have stolen in the past and as they murder millions of innocent babies it only proves they are capable of anything. The main thing is stick together!
Are you serious? While I don’t agree with this bill, I also don’t agree with this dangerous rhetoric that you’re spewing. Oh and nobody stole the election, some of us really didn’t vote for Trump because he’s a racist moron.
This is not a slope. This is the cliff. If the make us jump off. We aren’t coming back.
Slippery slope no way… this is setting the stage to sieze the guns from whomever you want. Missouri has passed legislation that prohibits the feds from enforcing ANY gun laws in Missouri and has extreme teeth… terminates ANY cop who enforces Federal gun laws permannetly in MIssouri and allows the individual to sue the cop, his department and the government arm over them for damages and to pull his ability to be employed as a cop… and explains WHY the Feds have no such authority…
a clear 2nd amendment violation… go back to the Washington DC gun case and the Supreme Court refers to the 2nd Miliitia act of 1792 … which tells us exactly what the congress that passed the 2nd amendment thought…
Just a comment on the English language used to write the second amendment. There is “may”, “should”, “shall”. Only “shall” is absolute, rigid, unchangeable. Shall not be infringed means 1. Don’t touch it, 2. Leave it alone. 3. Don’t even work around the edges. 4. Absolutely “shall not be infringed”. We as Americans must be ready to seek every legal effort to protect the second amendment. Failing that, we must be ready to rise up and NO!
This bill was written by Democrats last year and it is only the beginning of what they intend to do. It is already in Committee. It was sent to the house Judiciary Commiter on January 4th 2021. Not sure why this site has just now seen it. This is the destruction.of the Second Amendment and a direct violation of the Oath of Office they took to up hold the US Constitution.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/127
We saw it, but it didn’t have any text in it. At least not the page I was looking at.
Josh
Just needed to click one tab over to the right where it said text and you get the whole bill
Yup, and when I did that a couple of weeks ago it was empty.
Thanks.
National Firearms Act 1934
How did the National Firearms Act of 1934 come about? First, let review some history. When we fought the Revolutionary War both sides had the same armament – cannons, muskets, bayonets and swords. Civil War (War of northern Aggression) both sides had the same type of armament again including iron sided ships. WWI and WWII both sides had the same armament until the very end of the war when the USA dropped the atomic bomb on Japan. Over History, one side has always tried to have better armament than their foes/adversaries. This is how armament has evolved.
Prior to the National Firearms Act of 1934, citizens could own the exact same armament as the military. They could own machine guns, gatling guns, could buy dynamite, own grenades, etc. Our Constitution gives us the right to do such. The Second Amendment states “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.” In the late 1700’s each able-bodied male was required to have a musket/flintlock and a specific number of bullets and powder which varied by State. The 2nd Amendment says arms, does not specify what type of arms. The sentiment back then was if the government could have a certain armament, so could the people. The people wanted to protect themselves from a tyrannical government and the best way to do that was to ensure the government did not have better armament than the citizenry.
Moving forward to the early 1930’s. Prohibition was enacted. If you ever want to create a black market, just have the government outlaw something. Anyway, there was this moonshiner called Jack Miller. He had been making and transporting moonshine for several years and the Revenuers were after him. They could never catch him with moonshine. I cannot prove it, but I believe Miller had a spy inside the government telling him when and how they were trying to catch him. One raid, the Government caught Mr. Miller with a sawed-off shotgun. They arrested him over the gun. There was no law at the time prohibiting this type of gun. Mr. Miller won the lower case. The government appealed and the government lost the appeal.
Then the government took the case to the Supreme Court since Mr. Miller had transported the gun across State lines (Miller had traveled from Oklahoma to Arkansas). By the time the Supreme Court heard the case, Mr. Miller had died. No one was there to represent Mr. Miller. The Prosecuting Team lied. They claimed shotguns had never been used by the Military. Just go back to WWI. Shotguns were called “Trench Guns”. Also Stevens made a pump shotgun used specifically by the Military, model 520/620. Shotguns were used during the Civil War and the Revolutionary War. The government won the Case, needless to say. If there had been a defensive council, all they would have had to say is one sentence “Ex post Facto” – A law that makes illegal an act that was legal when committed, increases the penalties for an infraction after it has been committed, or changes the rules of evidence to make conviction easier. The US Constitution prohibits the making of ex post facto law.
There has been one case filed with the Supreme Court trying to get the case reversed. The case plainly states the government lied about the use of the shotgun. The Supreme Court has REFUSED to hear the case knowing full well the original verdict would have to be reversed. This is what is wrong with our Judicial System. The Supreme Court does not have to hear a case if they do not want to. Therefore, we live under a Monarchy controlled by 9 Clowns in Black Robes.
This concludes your history lesson for today.
Who is this Monarchy we live under? Do you mean the fake Monarchs of England? Who are the 9 clowns in Black Robes?
Can you please provide a citation of this?. I’d like to see about getting something like this introduced in my state.
That’s what Castro said when he gained power and look how that turned out!!
I love my freedom, I love hunting, and we can not let this happen. I also use my small arms for protection against snakes and other little critters.
As American Patriots, the government should provide every qualified citizen a weapon with adequate ammunition to help out in case of a war breaking out , inside the country, or by outside invaders. That would be called the Armed Militia. I would be glad to provide my own weapons. Coy Bennett.
Try it, Mothers. We’ll see what happens, when you violate our unalienable rights. There are laws against the Government even creating a database of gun owners. What are you gonna do, when over one hundred million gun owners tell you to kiss their collective butts. I’ve trained most of the gov’t LEOs Tactics for the last 20 years, and I left out a few things, on purpose. i’m now training my neighbors to have fire discipline, and watch each other’s six. i will never shoot an LEO, but most LEOs won’t touch this shi- with a ten foot pole, because the elected sheriffs know, and live their oaths, which are the same oaths we all took, upon being sworn, and will NOT violate it, to please any damn politician, who should know the Constitution better than anyone, but they have their own interpretation of it, to fit their fearful….fearless leader’s agenda! We the People know that what they are trying to shove down our throats, as efforts at gun safety, and poorly disguised, at that. They don’t want to admit that everything they’re hoping to slide by us dumb country boys and girls, is about One thing, Control of the people, and the only way to accomplish that, is by disarming the people, making it more difficult, or impossible to challenge their edicts, and directives, as opposed to the anti-gun crowd, having to negotiate, discuss, suggest, and request! We can All agree, that there are some folks, who should never have access to any kind of firearm, nor ammunition, or any other weapon object that could be used as a weapon, due to their inability to control their emotions, anger, etc.How about let’s tweak those laws, so that tragedies can be prevented. After that, there is not much we can agree on relative to guns, because you have politicians, and some feds, on one side, who want your entire life history, everything about the gun you own, where and how you’re going to safeguard it, where you’re going to keep the ammo, etc, etc,.99% of which they have absolutely NO need to know. They are bound, and determined to obtain, and maintain a database on everything about everybody, because they’ve been led to believe that anybody who owns a firearm poses a potential threat to everyone around the area. This is exactly how they have been indoctrinated to believe that there should be no guns anywhere around, to make it safer.All the bad people would also stay away, when they find there are no firearms about the area. They won’t have to worry about getting shot, while robbing your house. When the masters decide that it’s time for the full socialist agenda to be put forth, it will be much easier to confiscate weapons, and ammo, nipping that old resistance in the bud. Without the ability to resist their force, you are now A Subject! You’ll have lost everything they fought for, and without a means to resist, there is little chance or recovering the rights you gave away. the 2nd Amendment is the KEY to either losing, or retaining all the other rights, because without the 2nd, the rest will be taken, without resistance, for you no longer have the means to resist the Master’s demands. THINK ABOUT IT!
And are the legislators exempt from these new rules?
Give them the ammo first!
We need more gun control laws, there are far too many new kkk groups popping up…thanks to trump.
KKK was started by the democrats bidens mentor who Biden eulogized was the national grand dragon
You are an obvious moron
Alfred, stop drinking the kool-aid and open your eyes to the truth.
You’ve obviously been drinking the koolaid. We don’t need more laws–enforce the ones we have!!
Your an idiot
It’s you’re, not your. Who’s the idiot?
Lol! I was about to comment the same.
what we need more of , is more idiot control to monitor and register people like Alfred!!
Name one. Just one.
We know you didn’t because you can’t because it isn’t true.
People wont stand for this bs. This spring with the riots the government proved how well they can “protect” everyone.
Give the name who to call in Ohio
US Representative Bill Johnson
(202)225-5705
US Representative Tony Balderson
(202)225-5355
US Senator Rob Portman
(202)224-3353
US Senator Sherrod Brown
(202)224-2315
The government only protected the rioters. The business owners and property owners were out of luck.
And if the Supreme Court rejects this BS as unconstitutional they’ll pack the Supreme Court with their left-wing puppets faster than you can say “We’re not going to take your guns”!
People wont stand for this bs. This spring with the riots the government proved how well they can “protect” everyone.
Any law that turns me into a criminal once it has passed falls under the category of tyranny. Sheila Jackson Lee is one of the worst Congress members out there and there are a few.
I am a registered Democrat with gun owning neighbors. I am VERY MUCH an advocate for the 2nd Amendment and my neighbors are absolute proof that gun laws DON’T protect citizens… gun laws make it IMPOSSIBLE for citizens to protect themselves. My neighbors have gone out of their way to educate myself and my children- 9 and 5 respectively- about firearms, handling, storage, usage, etc. They are registered Republicans and while we may disagree on certain issues- always on a civil manner I might add- I FIERCELY will protect their rights, the rights of United States citizens, and perhaps my children’s rights of they ever choose to be gun owners. This country was founded on the Bill of Rights and every citizen should have these inalienable rights. I will be EXTREMELY disappointed in my own political party of choice if this bill is passed. It’s unconstitutional and I don’t want my children or any other citizen denied rights our forefathers thankfully foresaw. Riots at the Capitol aside, this is a fundamental issue of freedom and should not be altered.
Two cents from “the left”…
Just wanna say thank you.
Thank you for your message, sir. You may be a Democrat by choice but I think you are more Republican than a lot of avowed Republicans. God bless you and your family. Keep your neighbors in your prayers and your eyes on their six.
LIterally stopped reading at “I’m a registered democrat” because you clearly are not listening to your party and what they wanted/want.
As a somewhat Conservative but Liberal in some things… I also have family that share your sentiments as well. What ever happened to polite and respectful discourse? I can certainly get on board with renewable energy( that makes sense to run a country as large as the U.S.) but not these ridiculous pipe dreams that are put forth.
I am not a gun owner , BUT grew up in a home where all the men hunted and so I am familar with it. We were taught to respect that it is Not a Toy! and not to go near OR else.. I do support people having to own them for protection, hunting. The problem is our legal syatem has gotten so corrupt that people that should be in jail or put down are not and people who should not becin jail for petty stuff get worse in jail and come out more of a criminal than they were going in.
I have seen alot of things in my life and could see this comin for a long time now. People are worn down by the senseless violence they see day and day out… and the telly only tells one side. There was a DHS paper that I read a few years back on prifiling shooters in school shootings most of them were white 80% and most were intact family. The interesting thing was most were on mind altering prescribed antidepressents and other. Did you also know that Eli Lily knew that Prozac can cause a physcotic break in some people? and cause them to be violent or suicidal? yes true.. but it was only 1% of people who took it supposedly. Now that seems like a very diminutive number in itself, but when over 30% of children are on some sort of antidepressant and adults as well, what do you think is gonna happen? For some time I could not figure out whats wrong with people ? why do they rampage like this?
I think the firearms are just a vehicle but Not rhe causation here. And if someone goes off the chain then they will use whatever they will even their bare hands if they have to. Our nation is sick with many broken families, no decency taught anymore, its gonna continue to get so much worse if decent people on both sides and inbetween do not stand up put their differences aside and stand togethor against this evil now we may never get another chance. History proves that when these things begin to happen its not long till the end of freedom and decency.
Will they protecy us from Atifa and blm
I’m tired of having someone who has an armed guard telling me I don’t have the right to carry. If you slackers in the government don’t want to carry that’s great
Quit messing with my rights to do so.
Fk em.
Like all good sheep all will lay down all is lost. Be ready to defend to the end. Are you willing?
Do you rally think Americans DEM or REP will stand for this? I have a former Navy SEAL son that I know won’t give up any of this BS, info or guns. I’m sure most Americans won’t. Riots will ensue.
I would like to take this opportunity to thank all the Democrats that voted for the senile idiot we have as President and all the treasonous people they have voted into the Legislature. These people have all sworn to uphold our Constitution BUT they are doing everything they can to destroy it beginning with the 1st and 2nd Amendments. All of them that attempt to pass any law to subvert our RIGHTS under the Constitution should face Censure, be arrested and charged with treason and when proven guilty, should be hung by the neck until dead. May GOD Bless America!
Don’t forget republicans as well! Orange man bad, after all.
I read somewhere that there were one hundred millions bought in the US last year. There must be several hundred million already in existence. If every gun owner just refused to comply with their ridiculous law, what could the government do? Gun owners far outnumber the military and law enforcement people. I don’t believe they would want to go against those odds and would refuse to cooperate with the ridiculous politicians in control at the time. .
With the Democrats in control this is but one more step in taking away your inalienable rights, the right to defend your self.
I fear this is the old ‘bait and switch’ scheme. They throw out a massive bill with obvious things that will never pass, then scale it back to a couple of items and claim how understanding and how they compromise – now it’s our turn. Then we look like the bad guys for not working together knowing we’ll be starting down the slippery slope. This needs to be completely stopped.
EVERYONE needs to write their reps in Congress and oppose these bills. War and libtards won’t be the fall of America, conservative apathy will.
IMHO
Only legislators familiar with firearms should be allowed to create firearm laws. HR 127 screams of ignorance regarding such. 10 round magazines being large capacity? Seriously.
“When government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny.”
The government is fearful certainly, 10,000 troops and a fence (maybe permanent) at the Capitol would seem to indicate that. Makes me wonder what they are getting ready for, and why.
Seems whatever it is, it’s coming quick.
We are at war with several enemy factions in the likes of facists,markists, imported terrorists, BLM and displaced young people with no direction. We are being distracted with these executive orders and Trump’s trial while they get into place for the take over. That’s why the capitol has a fence with razor wire. They don’t want to get dirty while its own citizens will be systematically indoctrinated and accept the new world order. Again, we are at war!
Well, the “bad guys” don’t have any registration nor worries about magazine size nor who they shoot, so this rule will not stop any of the present day shootings and will make life in general much less safe as we will not be able to protect ourselves from any sort of threats from those unregistered bad guys we have to deal with now!!
Not sure the Supreme Court would approve some of this if challenged. The 2A was to defend from tyranny. If those in power know who is a threat, the intent of the Amendment is nullified IMO. But I’m not on the Court.
That’s bs they’re infringing on our rights putting all that crap in place!! I will not give up my guns I’m a responsible gun owner and I do nothing illegal.
That all sounds VERY unconstitutional to me.
The insurance mandate discriminates against people who do not have a lot of money.
The entire thing should be DOA except of course the House and Senate and administration are full of far-leftist Constitution and freedom haters.
I love LEO’s. Have several as friends. When seconds count, cops are minutes away. When everyone.in this administration is willing to go without armed protectors, then we can talk. For now, and in the future, we have the right to protect ourselves..
“There is no nation on earth powerful enough to accomplish our overthrow. Our destruction, should it come at all, will be from another quarter. From the inattention of the people to the concerns of their government, from their carelessness and negligence.”
– Daniel Webster
And I’m sure all the criminals that cause all the problems with firearms will also turn in their information as requested.
The Democrats do not want you to own Firearms just like Chicago where the crime is so low, yea, right! They just want control. You are not to think for yourselves or act unless they say so.
Absolutely not!! This was the first step the NAZI’s took, The communists took Mao Zhe Dong took!
Is that why the guard is on guard in DC? There’s the insurgency. It’s worst type of lockdown. It’s shameful that these socialists want this and have catch and release in the cities. It seems these lawmakers have no regard for public safety whatsoever. It’s all about the money. Control and compliance: just like Covid19. How much ruination can this country take? Wake up America!!
I think that HR127 is a bunch of bs.
So basically LAW ABIDING GUN OWNERS will be prosecuted and harassed by Democrats yet, how many people are killed everyday by unlicensed handguns and illegal gun owners like FELONS having them and what happens to those individuals NOTHING yet we LEGAL GUN OWNERS will be prosecuted to the full extent of the LAW or made an example of by DEMOCRATS!!!!!
Typical communist crap. If this somehow passes, we will be at war. I say to these butthole you want my gun? MOLON LABE= come and take them I dare you!
Gotta keep our heads OUT OF THE SAND, stay alert, and stay in contact with our respective state Representatives and Senators. WORK AGAINST THIS CRAP
I think people are complacent and/or stupid, so the bill will pass by a landslide victory. Gun owners, like the GOP, spend to much time worrying about their own little corner and fighting among themselves. Like the NRA, instead of cleaning out the those are divisive in the organization and focusing on our 2A rights, they dig there heels in.
We need to suck it up and work together. we should realize that if we don’t all pull together, it won’t just be our 2A rights they take away.
What gets me is how absolutely Arrogant and Ignorant these Anti-gun pricks are.
They Dont Know Guns and apparently the Concept of “Self Defense”.
They refuse to acknowledge the following logic:
– Several million crimes are “Stopped” by Honest gun owners – every year.
ON “Gun Free Zones”
– The best way to stop a Mass shooting/shooter is?
Method 1: Shoot him in the head – Now.
But you have to be “Carrying” to do that.
ie So Allow “Concealed Carry”
How hard is that to understand ?
“OR” – Method 2:
1 – Provide Metal Detectors at all entry points
2 – Provide “Armed” Security(Adequate to stop any mass shooter/s)
Let them (The Owner) run the Cost-Benefit $ Ratio on those 2 options.
Guns are the problem ?
Millions have been killed in Africa with Machetties.
It is not the Cars Fault it is the Drunk Driver.
– How Absolutely Arrogant they (Gun Grabbers) are –
They “Know” “They” are Right and therefore “You” are Wrong.
– And they refuse to even listen to any of this logic.
– “They” are RIGHT and You are WRONG – Period.
And all this completely ignores the 2A.
I do think maybe they have “just enough” sense to know that Confiscation will be a “non-starter” – outside the big Cities anyway.
Are you going to give yours up ?
Oh Hell NO – me either.
I always try to obey the law – but this will not fly.
– More.
They will now go after the Mfgrs – making them responsible for all gun deaths, etc.
And Much More,
“MILITARY STYLE WEAPONS” ?
NO Soldier would willingly(by choice) go into battle with an AR15.
ie NOT a Military Grade weapon.
These acts will do nothing to diminish any crimes involving guns, but will increase the “crime” stats for violation of these draconian laws. My evidence? Well, Canada enacted universal gun registration several years ago. They have since discontinued national gun registration. Why? Well, it created a nightmare increase in government paperwork, the database was prohibitive expensive to maintain, and in the 4 or 5 years that it was in effect, the data did not contribute to a single crime being solved. No, not even one.It seems that the government of Canada realized that people who comply with the law, in other words lawful gun owners, are NOT the ones committing crimes. That mantle goes to criminals, who by the way, do not use registered guns. Wake up, people!
I often disagree with your take on things because I think you can overstate things. NOT this time. This is one of the most unorganized pieces of proposed legislation I can remember seeing. 1) Unlike well designed legislation, it is impossible to tell what the goal is. It is all over the place 2) I do not believe it can ever pass the Senate in its present form. 3) Its unenforceable, e.g. if I don’t tell someone I tried to kill myself there is no way to prove it. I stupidly got drunk and took too many pills. Was just trying to get high. 4) Its vague and discriminatory. Only young people can own guns? All people who get old enough will experience dementia to some extent. “Where did I leave my keys?” Guess no gun for you gramps. I’m betting gramps still gets a tax bill though. 5) A bunch of stuff is already illegal.
Here’s the link to the bill for those who want to follow its progress
https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/127/text
Some of the stuff is common sense and i have no quarrel. But that is all out the window if the stupid stuff stays in. Had to get fingerprinted in Illinois and VA, so the FBI already told them I’m no felon. Where’s the gun? Right here. Where the hell else would it be? Where will I store it? How the hell should I know. Depends on where I am. See! Stupid! Finally, Super stupid – “(B) the evaluation is conducted by a licensed psychologist approved by the Attorney General;”. The attorney general is going to pick which “LICENSED” shrink I can use to defend my sanity? Will I have to pay for an evaluator I didn’t pick? I have no problem with assuring that people who are known or found to be crazy cannot possess a gun. But to assume they’re nuts BEFORE the fact! I could go on. But I have a driver’s test tomorrow. I need to find a shrink to say I’m not too nuts to drive.
Thanks for the heads up. I’m calling my legislators tomorrow.
First attempt to gain control of we law abiding and Bill of Rights protected Citizens. Shouldn’t be surprising or unexpected by any of Us. It’s merely what the two recently sworn in individuals in DC stated early on during campaigning that they were planning to do: attempt control by whatever means possible.
That said, I don’t believe this BS junk will pass in the house and should it do so, it will in all likelihood die a very appropriate and quick death in the senate. Reason being that there’s not iota one about it that is constitutionally correct or sound. Nothing more than another childish, whining tantrum from adult toddlers with a chip on their shoulders.
On a different note, this registration is just the first step to confiscation. In Washington, D.C., they tried for many years to pass gun registration while swearing that they did not want to confiscate guns, but only know who had them. It was finally passed in the late 1950s. The next year and every subsequent year, the call came to confiscate all guns possessed by citizens. Funny thing, though, was that Washing had very strict gun laws and among them was possession of an unregistered firearm and possession of unregistered ammunition which was enacted along with gun registration. Talk to any police officer and you will learn that when they make an arrest and file the case, they had better have all of their evidence to present or their arrestee walks free and they get a wrist slap. In D.C., though, there was one charge that was always filed if any person arrested had a gun and if it was loaded, 2 charges – possession of an unregistered firearm and possession of unregistered ammunition. On the day of trial the arresting officer stopped by the firearms registration office to pick up the certificate of no registration for the gun and the ammo. Heck, they didn’t even have to check to see if the gun and ammo were registered until the day of trial. The reason was that from the onset of gun registration until they finally seized all guns somewhere around 1994 there had NEVER BEEN CRIMINAL ARRESTED IN POSSESSION OF A GUN REGISTERED TO HIM OR HER. Check it out. The press and the gun grabbers will cry “not true”, but check the stats or talk to any police officer working in D.C. during those years.
This proposed legislation violates the Firearm Owners Protection Act of 1986 (FOPA), a United States federal law that revised many provisions of the Gun Control Act of 1968.
Specifically a provision stating the following:
The Act forbides the U.S. Government agencies from keeping a registry directly linking non-National Firearms Act firearms to their owners, the specific language of this law (Federal Law 18 U.S.C. 926 being:
No such rule or regulation prescribed [by the Attorney General] after the date of the enactment of the Firearms Owners Protection Act may require that records required to be maintained under this chapter or any portion of the contents of such records, be recorded at or transferred to a facility owned, managed, or controlled by the United States or any State or any political subdivision thereof, nor that any system of registration of firearms, firearms owners, or firearms transactions or disposition be established. Nothing in this section expands or restricts the Secretary’s authority to inquire into the disposition of any firearm in the course of a criminal investigation.
I would encourage all to contact their representatives asking them to oppose this bill as it is in direct violation of this act and unconstitutional.
They don’t want to pass a bill like that, because there would be a 100 million armed person march on DC. They could call in the Army, Marines, Air Force, Navy, Coast Guard, and National Guard and they would still be out maned and out gunned. Only a fool would vote for a bill like this. The 2022 elections, hopefully, will get rid of the idiots that came up with this bill.
There isn’t anyone now to stop this. We can thank the weak ass Republicans in DC for all of ut..
How are we the prostate to protect ourselves from the bad elements out there if we don’t have the tools to do it with,the government and the police can’t or won’t protect the people so we have to protect ourselves and we can’t do it with sticks and knives when some has a gun.
Be the (hand out) UN small arms agreement
It sounds like a classic gungrab to me,
and NOT just by the government. If all
Guns & Ammo must be listed in a database accessable by John Q Public,
and that database INCLUDES specifics
on your particular firearms and ammo
AND where they are stored, it might not
be JUST the AG we’ll have to worry about.
And the specifics as to what constitutes
a”violation”can be broadend AFTER the bill
is passed in it’s original form. And you CANT put THAT toothpaste back in the tube! Gone is GONE! I think I’ve heard a
saying that goes”Free men do not need
permission to excercise a right.” When a
right becomes a privilege, only the privileged will have that right! But, you have
to remember: The world is run by those who show up.
My guns belong to me and no body else. I keep my guns where I want to keep them, and they do not have locks of any kind. A locked gun will not fire. And an unloaded gun will not fire so all of my guns are loaded, to the max I have several fire extinguishers about the house. They are fully loaded and not locked. I hope i never need t use one of my guns and I hope I never need to use one of my fire extinquishers if I do,,However,, they are loaded, unlocked and placed where I can get hold of them. This is basic gun safety 101, This safety plan is designed to come apart upon the entry of an uninvited intruder. Coy Bennett is Daddy trained, Military trained, NRA trained, Proficient to excellancy by regular firing and equipment familiarity on a range
The entire Bill of Rights along with the original Sections of our beloved Constitution is an impediment to the Deep State and their insidious agenda of destroying our Republic. For these evil, psychopathic and ruthless cartel members Americans with guns are standing in the way of their total destruction of our Republic. This cannot stand.
I find this Bill to be despicable.
They put out Bills like this to distract us from the smaller ones that still infringe on the 2nd. Pay attention to all the Bills not just the atrocious ones.
There is going to be a big problem because gun owners don’t want to be told this garbage we do not have to have the governments permission to be a gun owner We are not criminals Many of the gun owners have a back ground in the military and have years of training This is trying to drive in that wedge between us and our second amendment rights There is no reason for citizens to be treated this way and our nit wit man in the white house is causing this to happen I for see many problems and this is this communist idiots in our leadership positions It is hard to believe Nikita Kreushev or something like that but he said we would be destroyed from within And these commies in charge are ready to get started with the work camps I don’t seriously think our military would fire on us I don’t believe that my Marine brothers would kill me for no reason other than greed and power That is the same reason the old bastards hang around They can’t give up that power over us If we did what these morons we would have been dead along time ago The new world order says they will use us and then kill us off because we are using their resources Yes I can see this will get ugly I hate it but this communist lead government are going to push it to the limit Like I said I do not believe they can count on the military So we will see This is so unnecessary They are asking people to break the law and they want to kill you or lock you away I don’t like either of those choices
Blatantly unconstitutional. All of these congressmen swore oaths to uphold the Constitution.
You know what they say, give them an inch and they will take a mile. We can’t afford to compromise on the 2A
Come and Take it!
The best way to fight this is to make sure that your representatives know you are against HR 127. The better way is to donate millions of dollars to your representatives and let them know that you are against HR 127.
I do vote No
Don’t forget the 60 new atf personnel will be able to handle all of the inflow of information to get your licsence in about 2 years if theres no problems have a good day.
This is total BS . I’m hoping there is enough gun owners to apply pressure on their representatives to get this stopped!
I do believe this was tried back when the British were trying to make everyone in the colonies turn in there guns. If everyone knows there history they know what happened. We the people of this great country (UNITED STATES of AMERICA) need to start letting our Government “all branches” know that they are working for us, not the Democrats or Republicans. I’m not trying to say we should have a civil war or any up rising I’m saying we need to have our voices heard. All the people should start writing letters to all reps in Government not just one letter but at least one letter every month about the laws, gun control, taxes, money being sent to other country’s, illegals coming into our country etc.
All in the name of bigger government to manage such collection of data, we all know how great govt is at protecting and processing data. Second, now they want to superimpose another “tax” in order to exercise our Rights, just like Healthcare tax. Only the rich will be able to own firearms because us peasants won’t be able to afford such tax aka insurance. Not just our 2nd Amendment Rights are being stripped but also our 4th, 5th, 14th – for that matter just burn the entire U.S. Bill of Rights!!! End the U.S.A. and call it Communist America, which is the end goal here.
I myself don’t have any “Military” style weapons, but I do have the old Marlin 18shot tube fed .22’s. You can’t change those out to a 10 round cap. I have served this country to keep it safe from threats foreign, but it looks like we should have been worried about domestic. I will never understand this BS. We that buy guns at stores already fill out paperwork on the gun, if you carry, you go through training, you’ve gone through a background check. So give us law abiding citizens a freaking break. It’s the bad guys you should worry about. But if you continue to push, the citizens will be forced to push back. Re read history people. This is how Nazi Germany started.
Sounds like the New York City firearms regulations and restrictions are taking hold across our once great Country. Let’s make sure it doesn’t happen
See I think a registry isn’t a huge deal. Do we really all think that driver’s licensure is not something that should also exist? There’s pretty strict regulation on our vehicles and we all don’t make a fuss. Shouldn’t even deadlier objects made for killing be regulated in a similar fashion? Obviously there are aspects here that are extreme that I’m not down for but the licensure and registry makes sense from a public safety perspective. Especially given how we currently regulate less dangerous machinery like automobiles.
Your an idiot. Cars kill more people than guns.
Dear Alfred you are an IDIOT
Nick, registries are lists which bad people can use to destroy their enemies. Imagine Trump really was Hitler and he had a list of every leftie who ever participated in a riot. We are worried about a ‘night of the long knives’ scenario. In one night Hitler murdered everyone who had any sort of power to oppose him. He had to use his forces to do it, but now the internet can be shut down and a drone can be sitting outside each and every house on that list and it would do its job without warning or mercy. Not too hard to imagine with free speech on the ropes.
lets face some facts here. they started this push in 1968 with the first gun control act. that gave age limits and types of firearms people could or could not have. now jump foward, they been eroding the first amendment for years, calling things “hate speech” and pushing certin terms on firearms. assault weapons, as if a weapon is capable of a action.
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then big tech started censorship, it was small at first, but grew at a steady rate. now we see an ex-president who is not allowed to communicate. I will admit that i do not agree with every word that comes from him, but in a “free” country you should be able to say what you wish as long as it does not turn into physical threats.
then there was the assault weapon ban, that was finally lifted.
they can not control you if you have a way to defend yourself. every socialist or communist country knows this. the people must submit. either peacefully or by force.
This is insanity once again aimed at legal gun owner and ownership. I worked corrections for six yrs , criminals want you a victim. So hey let’s punish gun owners who are responsible . My father taught hunter and gun safety for 24 yrs, I was raised around guns . I believe I know how to be responsible. This is communism 101. Yes it’s true look into it. This is insanity!
Sold all my semi auto guns and ammo at gun shows. Who needs the aggravation. All I shoot now are .22 LR bolt action rifles with small count magazines. Do you think that the ATF and Democrats will be going after .22 LR single shot rifles?
Yup avoid aggravation by giving up your rights.
never pass…….
We should start a petition to have it dismissed…
Agreed. If this is not dismissed it should at the very least be voted on by “We the People” not by legislature without our permission.
They, the far left want to take our gun’s away, we must all come in unity to prevent them from violating our 2A rights.
“Military type “? What does that mean. The Colt 1911 was military issue for decades. Would they be banned? The language is completely subjective which is intentional.
WOW! Where do we go from here? We need to stay informed of any changes, but most of all any movements to exercise our rights to protest and any petitions to sign, to put in motion actions to stop this BS.
First let me say I like what you guys do, the info you provide is solid and I agree we as the 2A community need to intelligently rebut the misconceptions and misinformation concerning firearms. Now to your commentary on HR 127:
Every agency that reviews this type of legislation gives this Bill about a 3% chance of being passed. Getting people fired up about legislation with almost no chance of becoming law diverts our attention from the more subtle and more dangerous legislation directed at the 2d amendment. I want to say again that I think the info you guys provide is invaluable … and I’m glad you keep us up on pending legislation. I’m just wondering if you can try to let us know when proposed bills are not likely to pass.
Thanks again for the work you do.
Thanks Ken. I know I said that it wouldn’t pass in the bottom of the article in the conclusion section, but maybe I can say it a bit better next time.
Josh
Sorry man … you said it well enough … I just didn’t read far enough or thoroughly enough. I try not to do that but sometimes it happens … again thanks for doing the research and keeping us up to speed.
Respectfully,
Ken
No need to apologize. Sometimes I need to be called out when I don’t word things clearly enough, especially on things this important.
Have a great night.
Josh
Applied to guns or anything else I think a psychological evaluation by any government institution is a license for them to do ANYTHING to that person, take their gun, throw them in jail whatever and it is up to the person representing the government signing the paper. Do you want that kind of subjective perhaps punitive government control of your very life? Think the election was stolen you must be a danger to others, support Trump you must be a danger. Think the media lies or is not fair? You must be a danger. They make the definitions guys. This would be a win win for them. No guns AND to get to say if you were psych fit. Would not end with gun rights.
I am prepared to do what it takes through the proper means to lobby where needed in a civil manner and sign petitions to fight for our 2nd Amendment rights. I don’t think that taking a bullet or getting imprisoned is going to do my family any good if I am gone. I have way to much responsibility to my loved ones. However I am very outspoken and not afraid to stand up in front of anyone to speak my mind under my rights again to try and infuse some common sense where applicable, Understanding that common sense is not so common anymore, especially when you have people who are just plain tyrannical and figure this is how it should be done. The tyrannists get voted in and here we are. I will not go into any firefight battle with the government to prove them wrong. What needs to happen is a civil strong defense against this tyranny we are facing without violence and stupidity. They are already stupid and us acting like them makes us no better. Again this is just my opinion. I respect everyone’s opinion and position, and regardless of where you live, if this is going to blanket the nation, yes this is not good. God Bless you all and stay safe. But in the end if I have to protect my family, I will do what I have to like everyone else, including those who are trying to strip us of our right in these cases while they sit back and abuse their power to maintain protecting themselves with entourages of secret service and personal body guards while they themselves carry firearms for the same reasons we do. And in the end, the criminals will be the ones who skate through and maintain their holdings to do what they do best, kill and destroy and make the government back peddle and blank our nation with blanket rules and regulations that don’t help anyone, but give them control over something they don’t know how to solve without causing deep impact to the law abiding citizens who have had guns for ages and have proven themselves responsible and worthy to own and even carry firearms to protect their own lives and the 2nd Amendment. I am ashamed we have come to this point. Am as proud as I am to be an American I am equally as embarrassed to say that I am because of this kind of governing.
Last year on Aug. 14, 2020 a federal judge declared that California’s high capacity magazine ban is unconstitutional. Did California fight /appeal that ruling? So, if it’s unconstitutional in California isn’t it unconstitutional elsewhere?
“On August 14, 2020, the Ninth Circuit ended California’s ban on large capacity magazines (LCMs). The court held that Penal Code 32310’s ban on LCMs violates the Second Amendment. ”
“A three-judge panel of the United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit gave several reasons for rejecting the state’s ban. Among them, the court said that high-capacity magazines are “protected arms” under the Second Amendment and that they are often used for legal purposes and are not considered “unusual arms” that would fall outside the scope of constitutional protection.”
Judge Kenneth K. Lee, said, “But even well-intentioned laws must pass constitutional muster,” he wrote. “California’s near-categorical ban of LCMs strikes at the core of the Second Amendment — the right to armed self defense.”
Also, there is the Firearm Owners Protection Act of 1986. (Is this still in effect?) Which says:”
“Amends the rule making authority of the Secretary to provide that no regulation may require: (1) the transfer of records required under this Act to a facility owned, managed, or controlled by the United States or any State; or (2) the establishment of any system of registration of firearms, firearm owners, or firearm transactions.”
This says the “United States or ANY State”. NO REGISTRATION ALLOWED at the Federal Level and State Level.??????.
It seems that some state are already violating this when they require that AR-15 type of Rifles be registered.
It also says:
“Permits the interstate transportation of unloaded firearms by any person not prohibited by Federal law from such transportation regardless of any State law or regulation. “
They need to be a law’s against law maker’s writing laws that changes the constitution by adding or taking away any part of it and allow any person to file a complaint to remove them from office if they try to change the constitution it should be there duty and policy to follow these guidelines or be fired they are trying to rule the people not serve all them, they serve only a few with misguided ideas about gun controls that don’t work for law abiding citizens there’s already over 30,000 + gun laws there end game is only to illuminate all guns to totally control the people if we don’t change how they are elected we will never be able to vote them out we either unite and stand together or fall to there control
I believe the Leftist that are attempting to subvert this nation and it’s constitution are sitting on a ticking bomb. As unexceptable (an orchestrated?) as the storming of the Captial Building was, that just epitimized the frustration of a vast majority of the American people.have with a monstrous unaccountable governmental machine. There’s no doubt in anyones minds, except theirs, that there’s an attack on the first amendment. Now in the course of their plan comes this attack on the second amendment. Unity my a**. Any Leftist that may be reading this remember this “Never wake a sleeping dog”. SF Joshua
I agree 200% perhaps renamed the Demonic party, total BS and I really hope the idiots that voted them in get theirs first with big eye openers!
Biden is becoming a dictator. I believe that to be the ultimate goal of the democratic party. They want to control what we say, what we think and every other aspect of our lives. Biden Harris are the userpers of freedom and the constitution. Pelosi and othe democratic like her want TOTAL CONTROL OVER EVERY ASPECT OF PEOPLES LIVES.
I will not sully the word Peesident by ever calling Dicrator Biden that.. people need to understand that the democrats only goal is ABSOLUTE CONTROL AND POWER. BIDEN is not only trying to destroy America he also will hand it over to the chinese… the politicians in congress and the senate need to be reminded that they work for THE PEOPLE.. if not I dread the next 4 years..
I appreciate reading these comments but please know that big brother is listening and your comments can be used against you.
Truer words never spoken.
I find myself aligning more with Democrats, but one thing I don’t agree with is their gun control. I think background checks should be required for handguns, shotguns, and semi-automatic guns, and licenses required for assault rifles, so there should still be some control, but other than that, there shouldn’t really be additional regulations. In terms of gun control, liberals for the most part are literally authoritarian (I’m saying this as a social liberal).
Absolutely right! This bill is intended to cut out the second and usher in socialism. It is unlawful in its intent, and in its entirety. I for one am shocked that such a bill could be out there. The fact is that not one single gun has ever killed anyone. It is the people, the criminals who do that. I am all for keeping weapons out the hands of felons etc, but the day the government makes it illegal to have one for protection of self, loved ones and property, then they no longer work for the people. This bill if passed (I pray it does not or any other like it), I fear will start a war. I am a military veteran. I have put my name on the line stating I would give my life for my country. Sadly, these leftist ideologues plan to give up the country for themselves.
There is only one answer ” STICK TOGETHER ” they cannot stop us all.
PTSD will become a disqualifier to own a firearm and this will eliminate 20% of Gulf War Veterans and 30% of Vietnam Veterans. Slowly but surely we are losing our freedom I am afraid. Concerned citizen.
They may not want to take our guns but they want us to pay every year to keep them. That is wrong. If you don’t have the 800.00, then you have to turn them in to the government. That’s wrong!!!!!
Never going to happen, never will pass, and it it does, will go to Supreme Court where it will be labeled unconstitutional.
The democrats have the congress and they have the supreme court. If they want it, then it will pass. The march on Washington D.C. scared them very much. Nancy wants all who marched thrown in to prison. The thing they fear the most is citizens reclaiming their government. At this point we no longer have a government of the people, so we have no Democracy. We need to get it back, but not by talking on the internet where you can be convicted of collusion before and after the fact if something does happen. This MOVEMENT has to go underground to survive. All this talk and all these statements of how you will fight will get you put away later. Obama took the free internet when he was in office. They can track every thing you type and they can trace it back even with a VPN. The technology has been in place for about Five years. Make your plans, BUT NOT HERE.
I am a elderly woman so my days of hunting are over but we all must fight this issue to keep our children and grandchildren safe and still live in a free country. The Second Amendment is very easy to understand, we have the right to have guns and protect ourselves and our property. I truly hope and pray all Americans will band together to fight this kind of injustice now and in the future. And I also put my faith and pray in God’s hands.
I would like to understand something.
So here is covid…that makes it ok to release many people from jail…including some convicted of rape. This bill makes it ok to imprison good guys that are exercising their 2A right. Was the release of convicted prisoners just the emptying of the prison system in preparation for this bill?
These laws are completely against the Constitution. Any law that goes against the Constitution is null and void according to the Constitution. They are saying that this is for the safety of the American people, but yet they finance BLM and Antifa to destroy our country. This makes no sense.
Weren’t most, if not all, of these proposals deemed unconstitutional in the ’80’s?
We all know Democrats are a bunch of lying, God -hating, baby killing minons from Hell. It’s all about control people. George Orwell saw the writing on the wall way back when he wrote “1984”. We can take this trash these idiots are trying to peddle or we can fight back. I for one have had all I intend to take from those fools. They can take their liberal agenda and shove it straight up where the sun don’t shine. I am damn sick and tired of our gov’t trying to control us. This country was built on the ideals of freedom of religion, speech and the right to carry arms and defend ourselves and if we let those morons do this to us then we’re just a country of cowards.
Hi Christine, nice comment. I read a comment the other day that states, there’s one thing that the Democrats and Republicans wants in very near future. Freedom. I can’t wait for the liberals to start complaining about the government they elected that they are violating their freedom.
Do not promote violence and war, but defend the 2A and be damn well ready when violence and war comes knocking to destroy your constitutional rights. Stand up as a patriot and do what’s right for God and country.
Let’s start a registry and amendments for politician’s
1 have to take a lie detector test while campaigning
2 must register each member of their security team as well as their weapon’s
3 the cannot sleep their way into office
4 must take classes in politics every year and pass
5 must understand the whole constitution
6 cannot “amend” any part of the constitution to fit their agenda
7 must remember that they work for the people
8 immediately impeached if caught lining their pockets from forien gornments
9 no more security paid for by we the people.
If any one else has anything to add please do
Unconstitutional, period.
Chances of this bill passing, slim to none.
MOLEN LABE!
Law enforcement is allowed to own firearms and not subject to these insane rules, let’s deputize everybody.
After reading the body text of this bill and taking a couple of days to really consider it. I wrote this letter that I am considering sending to each US Rep and Senator from my state. Of course it’ll would put a bullseye right over my heart. Any thoughts are welcome.
Dear Sir or Madam:
I am writing you today in reference to H.R. 127. This bill has recently come to my attention and it is a most disturbing move by this new administration. This is quite simply another step towards tyranny. No, I do not believe that is an over statement. All tyrants in history began by disarming the general population. While I understand this bill does not directly make gun ownership illegal. It achieves it by way of subterfuge. Making Americans pay an exorbitant tax: Followed by overly intrusive terms of personal privacy invasion. Then as if to add further insult it poses what could only be considered criminal punishments not fitting the crime for failure to adhere to legislation that is criminal in itself. This bill’s authors fain the maintenance of liberty but they’re stealing it. This bill should be discarded never to be seen. Most certainly it should not be voted on by representatives and senators who choose to interpret the wishes of their constituents. At the very least if it must be voted then H.R. 127 should go before the people.
I believe many of our representatives and senators in this once great country have forgotten that this government serves the people. It does not rule them. As of late it has become clear that has been forgotten. Our founders implemented our constitution to protect the people from the government and now many in our government are doing all they can to subjugate our citizens. In the last several years I have witnessed the disturbing pattern of turning our media into a propaganda machine by way of censoring any dissenting views labeling it as “hate speech”. The implementation of bureaucrats to circumvent the constitution leaving the population without means of redress of grievances. Now this attempt to turn law abiding citizens into criminals for the practice of exercising our constitutional rights.
If this bill is not brought to the people for a vote. You must in good conscience deny it from being brought to the floor for any form of consideration. I fear what may happen to our country if such practices by our government are not brought back under control. If my language seems strong then let that show how dangerous I believe this bill to be to the liberty of our nation.
“Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it”
Jorge Santayana
Let’s learn from the past and not repeat the dangerous mistakes of the socialists and communists before us. These are not systems that can be improved upon. They are systems which have time and time again resulted in absolute bloody failure.
Kill H.R. 127
AMEN!
You are fear mongering. Sad . I am a responsible gun owner. I’ve always had them insured as a rider. Felons once convicted have always had to surrender their weapons, they’ve been regulating psychiatric patients ability to own a gun for quite sometime. I’ve had guns stolen, I immediately turned all the serial #s, make and model, etc with the police report. And if they were ever borrowed to anyone. Why? Because if any of them show up down the road used in a crime. If a husband or a wife is a spouse abuser, that’s also regulated. People that aren’t responsible gun owners, some of which I’ve mentioned and their actions are the reason for more gun control. But yet you blame the law makers. And the fearmongering feeds some of those same people. No one is taking our guns, except the criminals.
If you don’t realize the Democrats want guns outlawed you’re not paying attention. THEY’RE the ‘fear mongers;’ THEY are the ones behind this absurd wish list of 2nd Amendment destruction; THEY are the ones who will do ANYTHING to get and keep power, keep the people seeing themselves as victims, and literally control our lives from womb to tomb.
I am 63 years old. I will defend our constitutional right. If I die doing what is right,then I have done my duties as an American citizen. I have nothing to lose. I want America, still be the home of the brave and free. FYI, my daughter had a debate in high school with a liberal minded person. To make a long story short, she told the person she’s debating, my dad owns, many guns, and none of them ever got up and start shooting people. Gun’s are like spare tire, you use it when it’s needed.
Ken, 2/16 – 6:30PM
This is BS, enforce the current laws and leave the citizens that abide by them alone. Are guns were registered when we purchased them, if this was the answer to the problem Chicago would be the safest city to live in.
If you pass this law criminals are going to know that it’s safe for them to break into anyone’s house, if you think this is the answer and you’re in Congress voting on it tell those Secret Service agents that protect you that they can go home after you pass this bill is passed because it’s the law that all guns are registered.
Put yourselves in the position of those that put you in office, we don’t have a Secret Service Detail, but we damn sure should have the right to be able to protect ourselves.
HR 127 is a steaming pile of Excrement. There is no doubt it will be DOA and even if it did make it through to Biden’s desk, it would never pass the smell test with SCOTUS.
I see at least 3 goals Lee was trying to achieve here…
1) Scare away potential new gun owners with prison terms the usually reserve for murderers and pedophiles as well as untenable monetary penalties.
2) Make gun ownership such a hassle to get and keep a license that only the most diehard gun owners would be willing to deal with it.
3) Make it so prohibitively expensive that a majority of American’s flat couldn’t afford it.
The end result being only a tiny fraction of gun owners would remain so and of those most of them could either be violated and their license revoked or be easily dealt with by law enforcement. It’s not designed to let people keep their guns. It’s a disingenuous abomination…and illegal one at that according to the FOPA of ’86.
That said, I know almost every gun owner is terrified to even be a tiny bit flexible on the idea of licensing (the give an inch and they’ll take a mile argument), but many of us, myself included had no issue jumping through the hoops to get our CCW License. I would support a program like that including a psyche eval (done by a psychologist attached to law enforcement and not onerously expensive) every five years with a minimal renewal fee…no more than it costs to renew my CCWL…or so to get a firearm ownership license IF the law stated we had a right to the license so long as no solid reason was found to deny it (and clinical depression wouldn’t be a solid reason, even my anti-gun progressive psychiatrist friend wholly agrees with that). I would especially support it if by having already having a CCW License, any training would be waved.
I would not support it if it called for an additional fee for “Military style” weapons, which if you think about it is literally every rifle. Ruger Mini-14s are based on the M1 Garande action. Ruger M77s are based on Mauser actions, Remington 700 actions are the basis for the M40 sniper rifle, I’m pretty sure they used Savage and or Winchester Model 70s as sniper rifles in Vietnam. The military also uses semi-auto and pump action shotguns. Then there’s the M1911 and clones, the Beretta 92/96, and the Sigs, all used by the military. That’s too broad a net to cast and they could creatively gig you on it if you if you weren’t knowledgeable.
At any rate, i would support the licensing because while I don’t think it would make a big impact on gun crimes it might keep firearms out of the hands of unstable actors like the kid that shot up Parkland. If there’s even a chance of preventing a similar tragedy then I think it’s worth the risk.
1)That database will be made accessible to all members of the public, all federal, state, and local law enforcement, all branches of the military, and all state and local governments.
**I OBJECT. Too many entities with access. Especially the public, and the military. NYOB!! And if the Law Enf. types have the info, then due to their being p/o the gov’t on either a Fed., State, or Local level, leave the other part of the gov’t out of it. Who the bleep besides the cops need to know???
2)The AG will issue a gun owner license to possess a gun and ammo. The licensee will be at least 21 years of age, and complete the following —
Criminal background check
Psychological eval
Complete a training course that is at least 24 hours long
Be insured
Your license will be denied or revoked if you are found to be psychologically unfit for any number of reasons.
** I OBJECT. I’ve already passed the background check; the day I bought my 9mm about 2 yrs ago. Fired it 1x at a paper target. Never been arrested 4 weapons charges. And just exactly WHAT is required in a course to satisfy the Feds? Who does the psych eval? And why do one? Again no arrests; not even a traffic tick.If background checks WERE ALWAYS done & with some teeth in them, then 86 the license rqmt.
3) Firearm insurance:
This part doesn’t make a lot of sense to me in that I’m not sure who is giving the insurance out, but it seems like it’s the Attorney General — who I wasn’t aware issued insurance policies. I could be wrong on this.
Also interesting is that the insurance costs $800. I’m unaware if it’s per gun or total. And to be honest, I wouldn’t put anything past these idiots at this point.
**I OBJECT. $800? They R out of their F&^%$ng minds. I bet the amt. could be lowered if handled by your home Insurance–as a RIDER? Plus I have something thru USCCA though I need to make sure what I have.
SO. HOW DO WE FIGHT THIS? Meaning besides the NRA, citizens writing to their US House Rep Does the USCCA have a lobbyist to lean on a Rep(s) to lighten up & use some common sense & moderation. I’m just not a fan of the NRA; but I may have to sleep with the enemy on this one.
a new start to stop antiAmerican laws/bills like gun control. The PEOPLE have ability
to demand congress to recall the Judicial immunities they put on us late 1960’s-70’s.
I’m a veteran I have concealed carry my guns are already registered and I’m not paranoid about government. Seems to me most of these shootings are done by legally purchased weapons in the hands of nuts. Have no problem with stricter background checks. But insurance, lol. Go after ****** selling weapons to anyone using loopholes and weak laws, hurts us. And of course criminals. Stop the crazy paranoid ***. Just a American with opinion.